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Old 06-14-2025, 09:54 PM   #621 (permalink)
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Thanks Logic, I only just cottoned onto that Ben Alameda Racing guy but hadn't seen the squish grove before..... real interesting.

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Old 06-15-2025, 09:45 AM   #622 (permalink)
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Thanks Logic, I only just cottoned onto that Ben Alameda Racing guy but hadn't seen the squish grove before..... real interesting.
Ye, I see it kinda as a 'culvert' that softens the local super high pressure/vacuum in squish AND gives you directional control!

It's a b!tch to do though:
I used the old gasket as a template so as to not go outside the lines.
Problem is the file cant get into the gasket top to chamber corner.
The groove ends too soon, too far from the circle for the angle I wanted.
I filed down into the gasket edge, carefully, ALWAYS leaving an untouched gap of ~1.5mm IIRC.
Groove was around 2.5mm wide at its widest.
Rounded the edges of the groove with sandpaper after. (younger eyes )

I put the groove exit where the squish's distance to the plug was at minimum Between the valves normally. Wherever squish is closest to the plug.

My grooves didn't point directly at the plug as I figured a ~D10 mm vortex around that initial flame front would be clever!
I'll never know..?

It was that 2L Mazda/Mitsubishi engine everyone wants.
Head skimmed after the grooving.

My feeling was that it had more low down oomph and ran out of omph a bit later.
But I'd swatted it up (the wazoo) already, so maybe it was all placebo!?


Soz pgfpro.
A bit OT, but probably relevant..?
Better scavenging; lower temps, more charge and all that..?
Only one way to know!

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Old 06-15-2025, 10:30 PM   #623 (permalink)
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Looking at spark-plug designs:
https://www.ngk.com/spark-plug-ground-electrode-designs

What sparkplugs are you using pgfpro?
I assume they a smaller diameter plugs as they have to screw into the pre-chamber that screws into the std diameter plug hole?

Also what is the volume of the pre-chamber?
I ask as the tiny volume opens up the possibility of:
Significant (per volume) chemical alteration of the charge in the pre chamber, using the plug.
The creation of significant and directable gas movement, resulting in the minimization of quench/heat into the plug's electrode surfaces and thus less chance of pre-ignition.

Currently open research links:

A Corona Spark Plug System for Spark-Ignition Engines

Numerical Characterization of Corona Spark Plugs and Its Effects on Radicals Production

Evaluation of the Ignition Effect in Constant Volume Combustion Chamber Based on Matching Effect of High Voltage (MEHV) Method
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Old 06-16-2025, 09:30 AM   #624 (permalink)
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Looking at spark-plug designs:
https://www.ngk.com/spark-plug-ground-electrode-designs

What sparkplugs are you using pgfpro?
I assume they a smaller diameter plugs as they have to screw into the pre-chamber that screws into the std diameter plug hole?

Also what is the volume of the pre-chamber?
I ask as the tiny volume opens up the possibility of:
Significant (per volume) chemical alteration of the charge in the pre chamber, using the plug.
The creation of significant and directable gas movement, resulting in the minimization of quench/heat into the plug's electrode surfaces and thus less chance of pre-ignition.

Currently open research links:

A Corona Spark Plug System for Spark-Ignition Engines

Numerical Characterization of Corona Spark Plugs and Its Effects on Radicals Production

Evaluation of the Ignition Effect in Constant Volume Combustion Chamber Based on Matching Effect of High Voltage (MEHV) Method
I'm running my race plug it's an NGK BR8ES it is a stock style plug for DSM's that most people run.

My Pre-Chamber volume is between 2 to 3% of the size of the main combustion chamber.
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Old 06-16-2025, 12:13 PM   #625 (permalink)
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I'm running my race plug it's an NGK BR8ES it is a stock style plug for DSM's that most people run.

My Pre-Chamber volume is between 2 to 3% of the size of the main combustion chamber.
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So around 10-15ml? (500ml per cylinder?)
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Old 06-18-2025, 09:05 AM   #626 (permalink)
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So around 10-15ml? (500ml per cylinder?)
I'm running a 1G 4G63 head that has a 47cc combustion chamber so 2-3% of the 47cc combustion chamber.
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Old 06-20-2025, 02:05 AM   #627 (permalink)
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So around 10-15ml? (500ml per cylinder?)
Seems like you forgot the combustion chamber volume is measured on top dead center.
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I THINK that may be my best (easy, cheap) pre-chamber anti knock idea yet!?

My 'round the sharp corners on the sparkplug's J electrode then buff/polish it' idea..!
The 90 deg corners of the cylindrical bit might also be rounded.

See post # 23 here.

Completely removing the J electrode and adding some Oomph! to the spark may well be the ultimate..?
I haven't finished looking into the best way to produce the spark AND type of spark, but here's an... illuminating video of adding caps.

Some of his other videos are also with a look.
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Old 06-24-2025, 01:20 PM   #629 (permalink)
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Seems like you forgot the combustion chamber volume is measured on top dead center.
Cant forget something you never knew! Live and learn...
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Took me a while to figure it out too

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