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Varn 11-26-2012 04:44 PM

My first and maybe only aero mod for Benzilla?
 
I am going to make some strakes in front of the front wheels of my Benz.

Here is a view of it on the road.
http://veloliner.com/mb/mb3001.JPG

The main reason that I am adding it is because the front wheels are well exposed from the front.

I have thought about bringing a front skirt down across the front of the car but with the condition of our roads in winter I think it to be unwise.

I plan on constructing the strakes like I made them for my camo minivan. Use a wire frame that has cloth stretched over it to use it as a mold for building up with composite.

MetroMPG 11-27-2012 11:14 AM

I'd re-consider that air dam.

What's the lowest point underneath the car? Do you strike the road surface with it? If not, that's food for thought about how low you may be able to make an air dam. Also, using a material with some flexibility on the bottom edge means you could go lower still, have occasional contact, and not necessarily wreck it.

arcosine 11-27-2012 11:21 AM

Dave, Benzilla is on the wrong end of that semi-truck. Consider a flexible material for under body parts.

Cobb 11-27-2012 11:53 AM

If your bens is anything like my 240d Id say the best mod would be to loose the directly bolted mechanical fan that has no clutch. I then used a paper clip to keep the electric one on the whole time the key is on. Just bridge the sensor up front. :snail:

Varn 11-27-2012 12:08 PM

Good points. Metro, I will make the wheel skirts first then decide about the cover. Tony She is drafting on the VW. The trucks were running 70:).

Kind of getting off the aero theme but you have a good point Cobb. What kind of mileage were you getting?
I have thought about the mechanical fan. It has at least 7 blades. I am a bit concerned about running an electric fan full time. It only has a 65 amp alternator with probably a lot of hours on it. I have an unused antenna switch which might be used to manually control the fan.

Cobb 11-27-2012 01:09 PM

Your auto antenna doesnt work either? I left mines half up and disconnected it. The coil inside the motor/mast was jammed.

I kept up with traffic and got 32 mpg. I even sent off the brain box for cruze control to get rebuilt and used it exclusively on i95. A member here may have it some where if you are interested in it.

Yeah, having no over drive the engine is turning some rpms. I didnt add an additional electrical loads, so the alt is fine.

Gasoline Fumes 11-28-2012 01:37 AM

I played around with a Dodge Dakota air dam when I played around with a 300D.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/09...ota-airdam.jpg

A couple more pics here:
My 1985 300D

ConnClark 11-28-2012 03:06 PM

A few things,

First get your engine up to snuff.
here is a good link Mercedes Diesel Maintenance tips


My 85 300SD has basically the same engine. To get good mileage on an OM617 the engine needs to breath. If they don't breath well you make soot from your fuel instead of power.

1) The first thing you should do is check the simple things. check your air filter and possibly replace your fuel filter.

2) Adjust your valves or have someone do it for you. Its best done every 15,000 miles Mercedes Diesel Valve Adjustment Procedure
Note dieselgiant also has a video showing the difference this can make.

3)The next item is to check your max boost pressure to make sure its in spec (11-12.5 psi). If not you need to adjust your waste gate which is kind of a pain but well worth it.

4) 85's have an Air Recirculation Valve (ARV) on the turbo. Plugging the ARV vacuum line on the compressor housing of the turbo will get you a little better mileage in town as well as a slight boost in power at lower rpms ( higher rpms will remain uneffected).


5) With the 85 300D there is no direct mechanical linkage to the fan. It uses a viscous fluid coupling that only firms up when it gets hot. If it is working right most of the time it free wheels. Changing to an electrical fan would be less efficient. To keep the fan free wheeling as much as possible do a citrus flush.

Now back to aero


I would also say forget the airdam. I never met a w123 4 door owner that benefited from one as far as mileage (handling is a bit different story though).

If you want to do wheel strakes I would suggest making them out of broom bristles. You can trim them to fit. They won't break if you climb over a curb inadvertently. They are also cheap.

Varn 11-28-2012 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ConnClark (Post 342375)
A few things,

First get your engine up to snuff.
here is a good link Mercedes Diesel Maintenance tips


My 85 300SD has basically the same engine. To get good mileage on an OM617 the engine needs to breath. If they don't breath well you make soot from your fuel instead of power.

1) The first thing you should do is check the simple things. check your air filter and possibly replace your fuel filter.

Done
Quote:

Originally Posted by ConnClark (Post 342375)

2) Adjust your valves or have someone do it for you. Its best done every 15,000 miles Mercedes Diesel Valve Adjustment Procedure
Note dieselgiant also has a video showing the difference this can make.

Done
Quote:

Originally Posted by ConnClark (Post 342375)
3)The next item is to check your max boost pressure to make sure its in spec (11-12.5 psi). If not you need to adjust your waste gate which is kind of a pain but well worth it.

It is 9 right now. I am going to make a manual boost controller.
Quote:

Originally Posted by ConnClark (Post 342375)
4) 85's have an Air Recirculation Valve (ARV) on the turbo. Plugging the ARV vacuum line on the compressor housing of the turbo will get you a little better mileage in town as well as a slight boost in power at lower rpms ( higher rpms will remain uneffected).

Done, The boost would stay at 1-2 then jump up to 6 as the vacuum solenoid kicked in. I just blocked off the Vacuum line to it for now. Also I blocked the EGR it was leaking bad. These really helped the mid range and low end. I figure that If I can push the throttle rack down less to get the same speed I am gaining FE.
Quote:

Originally Posted by ConnClark (Post 342375)
5) With the 85 300D there is no direct mechanical linkage to the fan. It uses a viscous fluid coupling that only firms up when it gets hot. If it is working right most of the time it free wheels. Changing to an electrical fan would be less efficient. To keep the fan free wheeling as much as possible do a citrus flush.

Now back to aero


I would also say forget the airdam. I never met a w123 4 door owner that benefited from one as far as mileage (handling is a bit different story though).


If you want to do wheel strakes I would suggest making them out of broom bristles. You can trim them to fit. They won't break if you climb over a curb inadvertently. They are also cheap.

Oh they can't look like broom bristles or coroplast. Not allowed.:) About half of the front tire is exposed to the front. Aero wise that can not be good.

As far as front spoilers I personally have not had much luck with mileage improvements.

I bought a new roll of 9 gauge wire to start work on this project. I will weld up the strake forms and go from there.

arcosine 11-28-2012 07:56 PM

Dave,
What do think about this:

1979 Mercedes 240D

Varn 11-28-2012 08:03 PM

Tony, tons of rust.... :(

ConnClark 11-29-2012 12:44 PM

Varn,

another aero mod you might consider is getting the 87 300SDL style rims. I think you might need a spacer to get the correct offset.

http://shop.wheelsrims.net/images/pr.../aly65139u.jpg

Varn 11-29-2012 06:41 PM

Thanks but... I already have wheels :) and they're paid for, could never make up the difference in fuel.

By the time we add adapters they would be heavier and less controllable on some of our typically bad roads.

Thanks for thinking of it though.

I am one of those guys who, I think, understands economy and conserving costs. It makes no sense for me to purchase a 20-30,000 economy vehicle. Can never make up the difference. My insurance is 300 a year. License is 24 a year. Personal property tax is 50 a year, It is based on the value of the vehicle here.

I have had my VW 2 years. It is getting over 50 mpg cost was less than 2000. I have put a new set of tires on it and a fan belt. It is going to be at least another 2 years before I can get even on it.
Quote:

Originally Posted by ConnClark (Post 342545)
Varn,

another aero mod you might consider is getting the 87 300SDL style rims. I think you might need a spacer to get the correct offset.

http://shop.wheelsrims.net/images/pr.../aly65139u.jpg


Cobb 11-30-2012 01:23 PM

Id rock it. :thumbup:

Yeah, my 240 d the seats had rusted through the floor and parts of the trunk were gone. It was a trick to close the trunk so it latches.

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcosine (Post 342431)
Dave,
What do think about this:

1979 Mercedes 240D


user removed 11-30-2012 02:20 PM

Make sure the 617 type injectors are breaking at the right pressure. You want it as high as practical to get better atomization. I think it was 1800 PSI new or max spec.

A lot of the older injectors that had been there a while the break off pressure would slowly drop off to 1400-1500 PSI and that was when you got heavy smoke, the fuel was not being properly atomized. I think you can shim injectors to jack up the pressure.

regards
Mech

Cobb 11-30-2012 02:57 PM

The 240d was the first diesel we had that didnt smoke. Its the strangest thing. I know the newer ones have a smoke map in the electronic injectors, but the old vws we had the golf, rabbit smoked as much as the big trucks when taking off. Infact my father use to take off in 2nd gear when some jerk in a motor cycle got behind him and would race their motor. :eek:

I use to have the role of cleaning the windows and I used the washer thingie that you see at gas stations to clean the black off the rear of the car. :thumbup:

Varn 11-30-2012 05:10 PM

I would agree that the Injectors should be tested and rebuilt if necessary. I don't get any smoke except when starting. My mileage is pretty good considering. I

have been working on the car regularly. Trying to undo the years of use. Some of the issues that I thought I needed to fix have been pushed back as other more urgent things were discovered. I am quite surprised at how inexpensive parts are.

It is running better than stock right now and way better than it ran when I got it. It sounds like your old tractor when it is idling. Kind of an endearing sound.

It has pretty good traction on our clay road in the wet. I am going to get new snow tires for it and run them all year as I have done with the VW.

Varn 12-18-2012 08:15 AM

I am going to add a skid pan under the engine. Was looking at the positioning of the oil pan. It is right at the front of the engine block and hangs down. I just have a bad feeling about something jumping up and striking it. Thinking about our unpaved road and winter.
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...pix-skid01.jpg
This isn't my car but pretty much identical.

I have some tubing that I would make a sub frame with and then put on a skid plate that could double to help the air flow.

arcosine 05-19-2013 08:03 AM

I saw this online:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...s-fuelecon.gif

And this, a little too far away:

1987 Mercedes 300D (Price Reduced)

I don't know where the 2.47:1 ratio come from:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/atta...ear-ratios.jpg

Varn 05-19-2013 08:30 AM

Hi Tony
The 2.47 axle is out of the larger sedan with the V-8 engine. I have seen some on peachparts who have made a swap. with good results.

My car has a 2.88 axle, was used for one or two years.



Quote:

Originally Posted by arcosine (Post 372185)
I saw this online:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...s-fuelecon.gif

And this, a little too far away:

1987 Mercedes 300D (Price Reduced)

I don't know where the 2.47:1 ratio come from:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/atta...ear-ratios.jpg



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