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bgd73 05-03-2010 01:31 PM

my primitive vac guage
 
I glanced over at my pile of junk and spotted the hand controlled vacuum pump, I kept it to bleed brakes.

on the top was a guage... I did not need it to pump brakes. Moving guage by hand something was sticking and I took it apart to clean. here is what it looks like (simply wanted to share). I calibrated it back to zero, and will use it soon enough. I have never checked my old sube, but do remember a comment on the carb versions, having one of the highest readings ever..will find out soon enough.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...cuumguage1.jpg
that copper flat curve seems to be an airtight channel, it responds to vacuum pressure...
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...cuumguage2.jpg

and this is where it shows a reading.

cheap.. and now have two useful tools from one.

maybe get an LED light in there somehow, run a hardline into the car. so I can monitor...

bgd73 05-03-2010 01:59 PM

here is the readings for a 1987 carbed subaru

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...aru/250rpm.jpg

250 rpm (not 2500.. this is really 250, and even less)

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...ubaru/2000.jpg

this is maximum, 22 in Hg of vacuum. I first saw this in the 80s.. waddya know, it is still there. Super Stoich... gotta love the real thing :)

and on another note, one to learn safe max psi for boost for an old sube, can learn it from converting inches of mercury to psi (psi because I am american)

22*.4912=10.8064 psi
In the little sube world I am in, this was a safe rule of thumb I never got to. (never ran a turbo)
and 10.8 psi is .744 bar
interesting.
of course today and boost and max is like a crack addiction to many, but above is the rule I would follow...I never learned if that worked, but it sounded smart enough. Simply to stay safe within oem mechanical setups.

elhigh 05-03-2010 09:36 PM

That's about where my Toyota 22r idles - inches Hg, not revs. 250rpm? Srsly?

Dang.

mwebb 05-03-2010 11:57 PM

at idle ,intake vacuum flutter is bad .
 
at hot idle
any flutter in the vacuum gauge needle is bad

it may be related to the engine speed of 250 rpm ?

retest ;
at around 700 rpm , if there is still flutter you have a valve sealing problem

does your car have EGR ? if yes , have a look with your eyeballs and make sure it opens around 2k rpm , if it does , your intake vacuum should be
lower than 22"
if EGR does open , your passages are clogged .
disregard this if you do not have EGR

and quick quick
translation of inches of mercury to PSI is 2 to 1
30"hg = 15psi , more or less so
15"hg = 7.5 psi more or less

bgd73 05-05-2010 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elhigh (Post 172947)
That's about where my Toyota 22r idles - inches Hg, not revs. 250rpm? Srsly?

Dang.

I can't keep it there because of a common alternator, but in the summer, during the day, it is quite alright (the lights dim below 500 rpm)
it is a HUGE fuel save on the old carb.

I only got a quick read on specs typical throughout downdraft vac readings, (all cars) 22 inches HG is a maximum typical for gassers. I do not know what happens beyond that. :rolleyes:

Getting too much could be as bad as not enough for the range of stoichial decency. 22 is the high end.

mwebb 05-09-2010 10:26 PM

intake vacuum flutter is bad at any rpm
 

expect
18 to 21 " at hot idle
18 to 22" at 2k rpm
18" with EGR open
22" with no EGR or EGR not open

0" at WOT 25" at decel following WOT snap .

but
the single most important intake vacuum measured value is
steadiness / smoothness , if there is flutter in the intake vacuum
you have a leaking valve and that is never good

sometimes
at low RPM valve overlap will cause flutter
so
what is your intake vacuum value at 750 rpm , is there flutter or is it smooth
the answer
will let you know if your engine has problems , or not .


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