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aerohead 04-11-2022 01:34 PM

NASA & Space Weather
 
Just looked:
1) X-rays from flares observations with Min XSS satellite
2) Kp index ( disturbance to Earth's magnetosphere )
3) Solar Energetic Particles ( SEPs )
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Solar Flares were relegated to basically a footnote, with no specific importance implicated.

aerohead 04-11-2022 02:26 PM

NASA tracking Space Weather
 
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard...reaching-earth

freebeard 04-11-2022 02:51 PM

4) duckduckgo.com/?q=solar+filaments+and+prominences

Quote:

Jun 9, 2015 New Tool Could Track Space Weather 24 Hours Before Reaching Earth

Piotrsko 04-12-2022 11:12 AM

How do you track 24 hour event horizon when it's just under 9 light minutes to the sun and if you detected it, it would arrive after the event did? At speed of light, the sensor would need to be past Jupiter to do 24 hours. Ask NASA how remote control works on Jupiter orbiting probes.

freebeard 04-12-2022 12:39 PM

The light takes minutes, but the wind is variable, up to three days.

As an example, the eruption aimed right at us yesterday is expected to arrive on Thursday.

freebeard 04-12-2022 03:54 PM

Is this the new climate space weather thread?

Top story at the moment on Slashdot:

news.slashdot.org/story/22/04/12/1818221/black-carbon-threat-to-arctic-as-sea-routes-open-up-with-global-heating
Quote:

As climate crisis allows new maritime routes to be used, sooty shipping emissions accelerates ice melt and risk to ecosystems. From a [theguardian.com] report:

[examples]

When black carbon, or soot, lands on snow and ice, it dramatically speeds up melting. Dark snow and ice, by absorbing more energy, melts far faster than heat-reflecting white snow, creating a vicious circle of faster warming. Environmentalists warn that the Arctic, which is warming four times faster than the global average, has seen an 85% rise in black carbon from ships between 2015 and 2019, mainly because of the increase in oil tankers and bulk carriers. The particles, which exacerbate respiratory and cardiovascular illness in towns, are short-term but potent climate agents: they represent more than 20% of carbon dioxide equivalent emissions from ships, according to one estimate.
In other news, Amazon drones are crashing in Pendleton, OR, and starting brush fires. They flip over and come down in a fireball!

Piotrsko 04-12-2022 04:02 PM

Unless they are being hit with birdshot pellets there is no sane reason for a flip and fireball. The nav system and flight controller preclude that and airborne battery fires are rare as tesla or Volt fires. Controller fails to off.

freebeard 04-12-2022 04:54 PM

Maybe I could've made the link more prominent.

Quote:

According to Bloomberg, there were five crashes over the course of a four-month period at the company's testing site in Pendleton, Oregon. A crash in May took place after a drone lost its propeller, but Bloomberg says Amazon cleaned up the wreckage before the Federal Aviation Administration could investigate. The following month, a drone's motor shut off as it switched from an upward flight path to flying straight ahead. Two safety features -- one that's supposed to land the drone in this type of situation and another that stabilizes the drone -- both failed. As a result, the drone flipped upside down and made a fiery descent from 160 feet in the air, leading to a brush fire that stretched across 25 acres. It was later put out by the local fire department.

Piotrsko 04-12-2022 05:16 PM

No you were specific enough. The actual Bloomberg article is different that your blurb.

The motor controller is a 3 phase H Bridge so if one phase fails the other 2 bridges burn out in rapid sucession unless they so overbuilt the power circuits that locked rotor conditions do not result in immediate over temp junction failures, OR, they are running brushed series DC which will overspeed on failure of the power circuits. And you have one set of these for each motor, once again unless they are doing massive shortcuts, because motor control gets squirrelly running two multiphase motors off one ESC. I could see the fireball scenario on over specced controllers or battery shorted conditions. Just like Volts catching fire when they get punctured and flipped over then sit in an impound lot for a week.

Something don't pass the sniff test. And they fly like aerioplanes, you dont switch from flight regimen to another, you gradually change it.

freebeard 04-14-2022 12:41 PM

This might be Space Weather since it was caused by change in the speed of the Earth's rotation.

www.nature.com/articles/s43247-022-00418-5
Quote:

Massive earthquake swarm driven by magmatic intrusion at the Bransfield Strait, Antarctica
Abstract
An earthquake swarm affected the Bransfield Strait, Antarctica, a unique rift basin in transition from intra-arc rifting to ocean spreading. The swarm, counting ~85,000 volcano-tectonic earthquakes since August 2020, is located close to the Orca submarine volcano, previously considered inactive. Simultaneously, geodetic data reported up to ~11 cm northwestward displacement over King George Island.
edit: Via SlashDot: news.slashdot.org/story/22/04/13/2319208/melting-ice-caps-may-not-shut-down-ocean-current

Quote:

Melting Ice Caps May Not Shut Down Ocean Current (phys.org)
Climate scientists count the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (or AMOC) among the biggest tipping points on the way to a planetary climate disaster. The Atlantic Ocean current acts like a conveyor belt carrying warm tropical surface water north and cooler, heavier deeper water south. [...] In a study published [...] in the journal Nature Climate Change, He and Oregon State University paleoclimatologist Peter Clark describe a new model simulation that matches the warmth of the last 10,000 years. And they did it by doing away with the trigger most scientists believe stalls or shuts down the AMOC.
....
"Without the freshwater coming in making the AMOC slow down in the model, we get a simulation with much better, lasting agreement with the temperature data from the climate record," He says. "The important result is that the AMOC appears to be less sensitive to freshwater forcing than has long been thought, according to both the data and model." [...] The widespread consequences of a drastic weakening of the AMOC include rapid sea-level rise on the eastern coast of North America, cooling over Europe that could disrupt agriculture, a parched Amazon rainforest and disruption of Asian monsoons. The new modeling study anticipates a much smaller reduction in AMOC strength, but that doesn't rule out abrupt change.
So, the Beaufort Gyre may be toothless.

aerohead 04-14-2022 01:40 PM

drones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 666086)
Maybe I could've made the link more prominent.

NASA's website speaks of solar energetic particles (SEPs) capable of 'bit-flips' aboard satellites., where a 'zero' can become a 'one,' distorting communications.
SEPs cannot be predicted.
I'm not a drone expert, so I'll leave the explanations to them.

freebeard 04-14-2022 04:00 PM

duckduckgo.com/?q=claude+shannon+information+theoryi&ia=web

Claude Shannon was the expert you're looking for.

aerohead 04-14-2022 04:29 PM

bits and bytes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 666193)
duckduckgo.com/?q=claude+shannon+information+theoryi&ia=web

Claude Shannon was the expert you're looking for.

we were required to know that in 1976.

freebeard 04-14-2022 07:44 PM

45 years later we have Cyclic Redundancy Checks and MD5 Hashes.

redpoint5 04-15-2022 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aerohead (Post 666185)
NASA's website speaks of solar energetic particles (SEPs) capable of 'bit-flips' aboard satellites., where a 'zero' can become a 'one,' distorting communications.
SEPs cannot be predicted.
I'm not a drone expert, so I'll leave the explanations to them.

A podcast suggested bit flip was responsible for unintended acceleration issues. Apparently there was no redundancy to protect against the unlikely but potentially catastrophic occurances.

aerohead 04-18-2022 12:16 PM

45-years later
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 666216)
45 years later we have Cyclic Redundancy Checks and MD5 Hashes.

Not something, either of which strikes me as actionable information.

aerohead 04-18-2022 12:23 PM

unintended acceleration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 666233)
A podcast suggested bit flip was responsible for unintended acceleration issues. Apparently there was no redundancy to protect against the unlikely but potentially catastrophic occurances.

It's never come to my attention that, 'unintended acceleration' had anything to do with real-time data down-feeds from space satellites exposed to space weather.
In the absence of a corrupting space weather environment, what would be the causal factor responsible for a bit-flip ?

freebeard 04-18-2022 01:36 PM

Quote:

Not something, either of which strikes me as actionable information.
What's your point. I never expected you to inform yourself.

aerohead 04-18-2022 02:45 PM

point
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 666348)
What's your point. I never expected you to inform yourself.

Like the judge said, 'You already have all the information you need.'
There are things to actually do.
There is no time in my life left to explore such obtuse information, nor see any possible potential to act on either of those two items you shared.
Some things aren't worth my knowing.

redpoint5 04-18-2022 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aerohead (Post 666341)
It's never come to my attention that, 'unintended acceleration' had anything to do with real-time data down-feeds from space satellites exposed to space weather.
In the absence of a corrupting space weather environment, what would be the causal factor responsible for a bit-flip ?

That's the implication, that we're never in the absence of space weather, so we're always susceptible to bit-flip corruption, and critical systems must be hardened against it.

I believe the highest regarded theory that explains Toyota's unintended acceleration problem is still bit-flip. That theory was confirmed in laboratories to suggest it's at least possible, and even probable in a few among millions of vehicles.

https://www.wired.com/2010/03/toyota-cosmic-rays/

freebeard 04-18-2022 03:23 PM

Simulpost!

aerohead -- Too much information:
Quote:

It's never come to my attention that, 'unintended acceleration' had anything to do with real-time data down-feeds from space satellites exposed to space weather.
Ya take what ya need and ya leave the rest -- The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down WRITTEN BY: J.R. ROBERTSON

I had a friend who told me his time is too short to waste it on me. ...years ago. He and I are still kicking.

aerohead 04-18-2022 04:18 PM

time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 666365)
Simulpost!

aerohead -- Too much information:


Ya take what ya need and ya leave the rest -- The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down WRITTEN BY: J.R. ROBERTSON

I had a friend who told me his time is too short to waste it on me. ...years ago. He and I are still kicking.

With two days a week to be on computer, I've no luxury to explore these esoteric materials, even if I wanted. That's all I'm saying.

freebeard 04-18-2022 06:33 PM

Still friends? A lot of it is for the lurkers. They outnumber us ten to one.

aerohead 04-21-2022 11:58 AM

Still friends?
 
yep!


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