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NeilBlanchard 03-03-2020 11:57 AM

New Coronavirus - COVID-19
 
This is the best reporting I have found on the new/novel coronavirus, called COVID-19:

https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts...ia-black-swans

redpoint5 03-03-2020 12:08 PM

I didn't listen to the audio, but the text was just some political trash.

What is the definition of epidemic? I haven't found one yet, but a handful of people doesn't sound like an epidemic to me.

Corona is more deadly than the flu as a percent of people who contract it, but vastly fewer people contract it than the flu, and therefore your odds of dying from flu is vastly more probable than Corona. Why isn't the news talking about the flu pandemic? It's because we're used to it.

This isn't to say nothing should be done to slow the spread, but hysteria is not productive, and making this into a political issue speaks to the trashy nature of those willing to suspend rational thought.

oil pan 4 03-03-2020 12:29 PM

The only people who should be worried about it are people 50 and older or if you know you have underlying health conditions that could make the flu or any rsv potentially deadly.
If I catch it I get 2 to 4 weeks off, so I'm rooting for the virus.

redpoint5 03-03-2020 12:34 PM

If you get life in prison, you get all the days off...

then again, in prison you still work 40hr weeks. You'll also have no doubt as to how they can feed people for $2.50 per day.

My wife got her first "Corona virus" case yesterday. A guy had gone for a walk and came within a couple hundred feet of a building where people had reported Corona-like symptoms (that ended up being negative). He didn't want to take any chances.

freebeard 03-03-2020 03:29 PM

Didn't listen to the podcast. Sorry, not sorry; per redpoint5. I've been following Dr. John Campbell. Today: COVID-19 3rd March Tuesday 9,920 views •Mar 3, 2020 I like the low-tech presentation, printed pages and overhead cam.

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My wife got her first "Corona virus" case yesterday.
See what she thinks about this: I think I've already had it.

Is there anything else seasonal going around? Mid-January I had what I'd characterize as a 'novel' inflammation. In that it went in through the lacrimals and out through the b*tthole.

I have the luxury of not having a schedule to keep, so starting with the first symptoms and for the first two days I treated it aggressively with steam and saline solution. The next two days I treated with chicken noodle soup ....and hip-hop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i23NEQEFpgQ

Can anyone explain what happens at 1:28? CGI or practical effect?

freebeard 03-03-2020 04:12 PM

This is a good general video by Dr. Campbell from the 14th of last month:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkdPFCStA38

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 03-03-2020 07:59 PM

After an English man claimed to have got rid of the Coronavirus by drinking hot whisky with honey, I'm not so worried at all. Brazil has some varieties of cachaça that might have a similar effect, including one with vegetable creosote added to it.

oil pan 4 03-03-2020 10:55 PM

My cure for it is inhale some 80 proof bourbon mist.

redneck 03-04-2020 05:15 AM

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Nothing to get excited about.

To put it into perspective.
(Pages 9-11)

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/n...r68_06-508.pdf



Unless they’re not telling us everything...




:turtle:

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Piotrsko 03-04-2020 10:22 AM

Expect them to not reveal everything. AFAIK, it's a hysterical non issue unless you're over 75 or have health issues.

The generally accepted symptom is dry coughing fits and decent fever. Booze would help symptoms.

JSH 03-04-2020 08:28 PM

There is a half-way decent chance my wife and I have had it. We spent the last two weeks of 2019 in Vietnam. The first day in Hanoi we were seated the row in front of a Chinese family that looked really sick and spent hours of the bus ride coughing on us (feel the spray on the back of your neck coughing). My wife got sick 3 days later with the worse flu she has every had. That turned into pneumonia that knocked her out of commission for the first 2 weeks of 2020. It then took until mid February to get back to almost normal.

She went to the doctor 4 times in January but they didn't do any tests to determine the virus. Just some x-rays and a CT scan to watch the pneumonia

This is for an athletic woman in her 40's that commutes by bicycle every day and runs a 3-4 times per week. She does have asthma - AKA an underlying condition.

I felt mildly bad for about 3 days.

We stopped in Tokyo and San Francisco on the way back before returning home to the Portland Metro.

freebeard 03-04-2020 09:53 PM

I had a bad experience in Vietnam but I survived it as well.

I described my episode in Permalink #5. My concern at this point is the theorizing that it is a bacteria, not a virus. Examples of reinfection are unlikely if it is a virus. They don't work that way; or rather, if they did vaccines wouldn't work.

[wild speculation]I've heard it said that Covid-19 and the 1918 Spanish Flu might be variants of tuberculosis.[/wild speculation]

redpoint5 03-05-2020 12:51 AM

What are the odds we'll need a whole 'nother vaccine that everyone has to take, like polio?

JSH 03-05-2020 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 618391)
What are the odds we'll need a whole 'nother vaccine that everyone has to take, like polio?

Very low. A much more likely scenario is the H1N1 model where a vaccine is developed but only given to high risk people. The pneumonia vaccine is similar.

redpoint5 03-05-2020 11:46 AM

Just a thought I had, but it amazes me that we're still reliant on nature to build vaccines, and even to engineer genes. We understand a great deal about the processes, but can't accomplish the actual building of the vaccines through our own mechanical/chemical processes. If we could, producing vaccines for everything would be extremely cheap, and I'd see no reason why we couldn't be vaccinated against a much larger number of viruses. I wonder if there's some limit of immunization variety where the body is less effective at building immunity to new stuff?

NeilBlanchard 03-05-2020 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 618391)
What are the odds we'll need a whole 'nother vaccine that everyone has to take, like polio?

We don't know yet, if it is even possible to have a vaccine for COVID-19.

There are apparently 2 strains of the virus:

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/scient...ry?id=69391954

WHO report PDF:

https://www.who.int/docs/default-sou...nal-report.pdf

Combine this with a fairly high rate of reoccurance (about 14%?), and this may well become endemic.

Xist 03-11-2020 04:38 PM

Romney wasn't welcome at the CPAC conference, where someone was kind enough to bring Covid.

One friend on Facebook complained about a politician politicizing the virus. I do not know what criteria they use for that claim, but if one side is guilty of it, both are.

She said to just wash your hands and avoid people with the symptoms. I do not know how easily they can spread the virus before they show symptoms, but I am naturally going to take precautions around people showing symptoms.

I am worried about the contagious ones that are not showing symptoms yet.

Other friends are joking about this, saying that this is the perfect time to go to Disneyland.

Lock yourself in a tin can for hours with travelers from all over.
Spend long days in one of the world's most popular tourist attractions, particularly with wealthy Asians.
Come back and tell your friends that you had the time of your life.
Sneeze on everyone.

What could possibly go wrong?!

In unrelated news, my supervisor had me install Grammarly because I had some typos, although I believe that I have better grammar than my supervisor. It doesn't catch some that I find while proofreading, but it flags many things that are perfectly fine.

Apparently the creators are at war with the Oxford Comma. It seems like most sources say the Oxford Comma is correct (possibly calling it something else), so why isn't there at least a checkbox for this?

Anyway, all of a sudden emojos have appeared while I was writing. I thought that I had the option of harassing my readers with pictographs, but it turns out that there is a new feature (that they did not ask if I wanted) that checks the tone of what you are writing.

The problem is that I wrote the following and it still showed a hugging emojo:

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Die in a fire you freaking idiot!
I hate you your mother should have smothered you with a pillow!
For the record, I was testing Grammarly, and if anything, talking to it.

You guys are okay.

On a good day. :)

oil pan 4 03-11-2020 05:19 PM

No vaccine was made for SARS and it's a Corona virus.
But this Corona virus is making good copies of it's self.

freebeard 03-11-2020 05:43 PM

The current threat is accelerating the rate of medical science:

Scientists figure out how new coronavirus breaks into human cells

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Scientists have revealed the first picture of how the new coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 binds with human respiratory cells in order to hijack them to produce more viruses.
Researchers led by Qiang Zhou, a research fellow at Westlake University in Hangzhou, China, have revealed how the new virus attaches to a receptor on respiratory cells called angiotensin-converting enzyme 2, or ACE2.
"They have pictures all the way down at the level of the atoms that interact at the binding interface," Thomas Gallagher, a virologist at Loyola University Chicago who was not involved in the new research but studies coronavirus structure, told Live Science. That level of information is unusual at this stage of a new virus outbreak, he said.

redpoint5 03-11-2020 05:46 PM

First thing I'd do if studying a new virus is take a look. How long does it normally take to schedule some time on a scanning tunneling electron microscope? Maybe it isn't that easy?

freebeard 03-11-2020 06:47 PM

Answer to the wrong question. ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanni...ing_microscope
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For an STM, good resolution is considered to be 0.1 nm lateral resolution and 0.01 nm depth resolution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_spacing
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The spacing between atoms in most ordered solids is on the order of a few ångströms (a few tenths of a nanometer).

Frank Lee 03-11-2020 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 618277)
I didn't listen to the audio, but the text was just some political trash.

What is the definition of epidemic? I haven't found one yet, but a handful of people doesn't sound like an epidemic to me.

Corona is more deadly than the flu as a percent of people who contract it, but vastly fewer people contract it than the flu, and therefore your odds of dying from flu is vastly more probable than Corona. Why isn't the news talking about the flu pandemic? It's because we're used to it.

This isn't to say nothing should be done to slow the spread, but hysteria is not productive, and making this into a political issue speaks to the trashy nature of those willing to suspend rational thought.

I'd say it's political when it's something people look to governments to solve then said governments (example: ours) don't respond with rationality, science, and logic.

Xist 03-12-2020 05:18 AM

Almost five thousand people have died from Corona, but 12,000 died from the flu between 10/01 and 02/01.
The first Coronavirus death was 01/09 and if 7,000 people die in the next 57 days it will be as bad as the flu, but will it go away on its own?

redpoint5 03-12-2020 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank Lee (Post 618780)
I'd say it's political when it's something people look to governments to solve then said governments (example: ours) don't respond with rationality, science, and logic.

The link above has changed the trash text that I had commented to.

I don't follow politics, but I don't need the POTUS to tell me to wash my hands and avoid sick people.

oil pan 4 03-12-2020 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 618761)
The current threat is accelerating the rate of medical science:

Scientists figure out how new coronavirus breaks into human cells

Then antiviral it is.

TexasCotton 03-12-2020 02:13 PM

Unhygenic China CCP
 
FYI

The world as we and I know of it. We are now reaping the world wind from China/CCP a country that lies a whole host of issues.

Created world ozone hole by using ban chemicals and process

Uses prison labor for profit

Pollutes own country and others

Strips away mineral and natural resources

Ocean dead zone surrounds country with no ocean life

Steals technology, intellectual property, and sells low quality knockoffs

Allowed unregulated WET markets to sell wildlife that has now created a coronavirus Pandemic … 4700 death toll and counting
Italy lockdown
USA franchise sports no season near term
Many USA colleges will not return from spring break.
Cruise Ships and Airlines like mini incubation for outbreak

The China party aka CCP and 3000 members and XI Jinping are in downward race of loathe some leaders.. The unhygenic China Nationals are pathetic additionally who have further spread the coronavirus

NeilBlanchard 03-12-2020 03:24 PM

The number of new cases (that we KNOW of, which is probably far fewer than actual, because of poor testing rates) - is growing exponentially. Here in the US, it is KNOWN to be in 40 states.

Things are being shut down and canceled, and our medical system could easily be overwhelmed, very quickly.

It is going to get a LOT worse, in a short period of time.

freebeard 03-12-2020 05:06 PM

Not a good time to run out of toilet paper?

Those who recently expired from 'flu' would be an interesting cohort to test. It might reveal something novel.

redneck 03-12-2020 08:51 PM

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https://i.postimg.cc/43GXHmyC/85-A6-...CBDA621-E7.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/MTKxtN1d/E05-EB...-BE5-A23-E.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/sX6zLmcy/739-E9...214-BB3820.jpg


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Xist 03-12-2020 09:14 PM

I had heard that part of it was a decline of Chinese imports.

You used to be able to buy a gallon of hand sanitizer for $12, but it is out of stock: https://www.webstaurantstore.com/nob...NOVOFISAN.html

The best that I can find now is $15 for 7.4 ounces on Amazon. It isn't quite in-stock, though: https://www.amazon.com/ArtNaturals-N...dp/B085PW23XY/

Fat Charlie 03-12-2020 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank Lee (Post 618780)
I'd say it's political when it's something people look to governments to solve then said governments (example: ours) don't respond with rationality, science, and logic.

I was going to say it's political when politicians pull out the next thing on their to-do list and say it's because of the crisis, while at the same time overriding the CDC and classifying its doings.

freebeard 03-12-2020 09:53 PM

"it's political when now that politicians [are] pull[ing] out the next thing on their to-do list and say it's because of the crisis"

Pelosi


https://i.maga.host/Q3wVrQq.jpg
https://i.maga.host/Q3wVrQq.jpg

oil pan 4 03-12-2020 11:04 PM

They canceled the gun show here.
This is BS.

freebeard 03-12-2020 11:20 PM

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. —Philip K. Dick

Joe Rogan #1439 with Michael Osterholm

Turns out that deer have a wasting disease that will end deer hunting, which controls the herds.

Saunas only work next to an ice-covered lake.

I'm only half way through it.

oil pan 4 03-13-2020 02:11 AM

People believe in creationism too.

The anti hunting people love chronic wasting disease. They would love to end deer hunting based on a disease that isn't known to be able to jump to people. That would greatly reduce numbers of hunting licenses sold, which is the number 1 source of conservation funds.
Then the deer herd population will boom, until the population eats all the food or there is an unusually cold winter and they starve to death.

Fat Charlie 03-13-2020 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oil pan 4 (Post 618852)
They canceled the gun show here.
This is BS.

I can see that headline: Gun Show Cancelled Due To Safety Concerns. :eek:

Frank Lee 03-13-2020 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oil pan 4 (Post 618861)
The anti hunting people love chronic wasting disease. They would love to end deer hunting based on a disease that isn't known to be able to jump to people. That would greatly reduce numbers of hunting licenses sold, which is the number 1 source of conservation funds.
Then the deer herd population will boom, until the population eats all the food or there is an unusually cold winter and they starve to death.


WHERE do you come up with this ssshhhhhaving cream?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

RedDevil 03-13-2020 10:23 AM

I'm working from home as everyone in the Netherlands who is able to work from home is asked to do so.
All events with more than 100 attendees are canceled.
These measures are taken for the remainder of March, but will likely be extended until Corona is under control.
Schools are open, officially, but 25% of schools decided to ask parents not to bring their children unless they really need to. Parents are denied access to schools anyway to prevent unnecessary contacts. I expect a total school ban next week.

President Jair Bolsonaro of Brasil has tested positive for Corona, a day after his aide Fabio Wajngarten also tested positive. They must have been infected about a week ago. I wonder who they met?
https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-p...bfa3b/800.jpeg
(this was last week)

Fat Charlie 03-13-2020 10:56 AM

Not to worry, I think the tanning spray should work against the virus.

oil pan 4 03-13-2020 11:01 AM

With out people like me a 2 billion dollar operation stops.
If I was a business owner I would look to this as a test as to who I really need and who I don't really need.


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