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aktacoma 05-02-2013 11:08 AM

New VW Beetle aero
 
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I thought these were aero first time i looked at them i guess not...
Plans are to buy a tdi and push 75 mpg out of it:)

NachtRitter 05-02-2013 01:55 PM

That will be challenging! Even the VW Lupo 3L (Volkswagen Lupo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), which was designed to get 3L/100km (78mpg) on the Euro equivalent of the EPA ratings with a teeny 1.2L 3cyl turbodiesel, has a hard time getting to 75mpg in real world driving (see the ecomodder diesel fleet FE rankings: EcoModder Fleet list - EcoModder.com). Also notice that there are no diesels newer than 2010 in the top 20...

Also, check out Fuelly to get another perspective: Volkswagen Beetle MPG Reports | Fuelly

That said, it doesn't mean it's impossible... but probably extremely difficult. If you're still looking for a TDI, consider getting an older TDI with an ALH engine, available in the 1999.5 to 2003 MkIV VWs. With mine, I can regularly get high 50's, low 60's per tank. There are a few others on Fuelly: 2003 Volkswagen Jetta MPG Reports | Fuelly

kach22i 05-02-2013 02:02 PM

Do this:
https://www.facebook.com/SmythPerformance
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Mark Smith founded what became Factory Five Racing in 1993. His new company ships a $9900 VR6,1.8T & TDI kit car to home builders and tuning shops.The result is a 2200-2500 lb mid-engine sports car based on the 00-04 Jetta/Golf 4 door.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/29/r...smyth-perform/
http://www.blogcdn.com/green.autoblo...ce-g3f-630.jpg

NachtRitter 05-02-2013 05:04 PM

Yep, that'll get you there! :)

freebeard 05-02-2013 05:53 PM

Or you could do this:
http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-fr...llpaper-02.jpghttp://ecomodder.com/forum/member-fr...llpaper-03.jpg
...only slammed and without the stuff on the roof.

Then put on a set of these:
http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-fr...ncept-tire.jpg
Bridgestone Large & Narrow Concept Tire.

aktacoma 05-02-2013 11:16 PM

I'm not really going to buy one haha I shouldn't have said plan more like I would like to have one...

freebeard 05-03-2013 01:17 PM

Well, obviously we're an excitable bunch.

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New VW Beetle aero
I thought these were aero first time i looked at them i guess not...
Plans are to buy a tdi and push 75 mpg out of it
What, then, was the purpose of your Original Post? If you would like to have one, why aren't you going to buy one? If you got a $1000 TDI (you won't) and got +50mpg better than your Taco (you won't) it would pay for itself in 12,500 miles @ $4/gallon. How many miles do you drive in a year?

I'm not going to buy one, but I'm willing to talk about them. That's what we do here. :)

aktacoma 05-03-2013 02:01 PM

Well I am planning on building an aero cap for my pickup and so when I was browsing the web I saw the new bug and thought I would put it against the template for fun and thought I would share my results.

Frank Lee 05-03-2013 03:21 PM

We have a few New Beetle aero threads that are... ummm.... interesting. :rolleyes:

freebeard 05-03-2013 07:01 PM

Well, Mr. Lee, I gave it my best shot.
http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-fr...biwak-c-03.jpg

mcrews 05-03-2013 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 369402)
Well, obviously we're an excitable bunch.:)

:eek:

Man, that was the understatement of the year!!!!! :thumbup:

mcrews 05-03-2013 07:20 PM

I LOVE this guy.

We have a thread here that he has commented on about the kit.

123 05-03-2013 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 369450)
Well, Mr. Lee, I gave it my best shot.
http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-fr...biwak-c-03.jpg

The back looks like a Chevy HHR.

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Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 369402)

What, then, was the purpose of your Original Post? If you would like to have one, why aren't you going to buy one? If you got a $1000 TDI (you won't) and got +50mpg better than your Taco (you won't) it would pay for itself in 12,500 miles @ $4/gallon. How many miles do you drive in a year?

I'm not going to buy one, but I'm willing to talk about them. That's what we do here. :)

Even if it takes a long time for it to pay for itself I am going to get a TDI sort of. The price of a TDI engine is much less then a new car and will make my mk2 golf much more fun to drive then the 1.6 N/A D. plus on the good side its much lighter then any American TDI car.

aktacoma 05-03-2013 09:09 PM

No boat tail for that thing??

freebeard 05-04-2013 03:22 AM

In the rear view it's extended ~1ft, but it should have been narrowed as well. The contour would actually be somewhat like the Volvo C30 with broad fenders and a narrow cabin.

You could totally do that, replacing the rear hatch fenders and bumper. A reasonable goal would be 10% better mileage; e.g., 50 to 55mpg.

COcyclist 05-08-2013 02:19 PM

http://www.blogcdn.com/green.autoblo...ce-g3f-630.jpg
Would someone with photoshop skills please throw a template on this? G3F suggests 60 mpg at 70 mph IIRC. I wonder if it will be that much more aerodynamic than a Jetta in real world driving.

NachtRitter 05-08-2013 03:23 PM

Note that (AFAIK) the roof isn't finalized on the G3F, so throwing a template on the concept art may not tell you much.

AndrzejM 05-08-2013 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by COcyclist (Post 370228)
http://www.blogcdn.com/green.autoblo...ce-g3f-630.jpg
Would someone with photoshop skills please throw a template on this? G3F suggests 60 mpg at 70 mph IIRC. I wonder if it will be that much more aerodynamic than a Jetta in real world driving.

Voila! :)
http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...1&d=1368041344

And New Beetle
http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...8041513http://

kach22i 05-08-2013 04:00 PM

Automobile 2 - Odds And Ends Photos by kach22i | Photobucket
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...psf5d81c5d.jpg

Frankencar 05-08-2013 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 123 (Post 369466)
...The price of a TDI engine is much less then a new car and will make my mk2 golf much more fun to drive then the 1.6 N/A D. plus on the good side its much lighter then any American TDI car.

DO IT!!! :) You won't be disappointed! :thumbup: ;)

freebeard 05-08-2013 08:40 PM

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DO IT!!! ...
Your signature links make a pretty good case. If I ever left the comfort zone of the air-cooled VW world, this is where I would go—somewhere between the GF3 and a three-axle Vanagon TDI inflatable motor home.

Someone (VW Vortex?) showed a New Beetle with a cast aluminum Audi TT front K-member. What generations of Golf/Jetta would that part fit in? What do you think of that new Bridgestone tire?

kach22i -- I think your cheat is a closer fit than the Classic Template—in cross-section and above the beltline. The template line just touches the rear deck, that might trap a pocket of turbulence without transmitting base pressure forward.


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