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MetroMPG 02-21-2008 02:16 PM

News: VW to unveil 70 mpg (US) Golf diesel hybrid
 
Via Daily Tech and channel4.com

Continuing today's diesel theme... VW will be unveiling a diesel hybrid Golf at the upcoming Geneva auto show.

http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/V...dsg-7-fs-a.jpg

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According to the German automotive giant, the Golf Hybrid will achieve 83.9 MPG (Imperial gallons) which is roughly 69.9 MPG here in the U.S. Carbon dioxide emissions are also limited to just 89g/km.
VW says the engine will meet the strictest Tier 2 Bin 5 emissions standards.

The most surprising thing - if the 2 articles I've seen can be believed - is they're not calling this a "concept". They're talking about it as if it's destined for the North American market.

H4MM3R 02-21-2008 02:28 PM

Outstanding!!!!

bestmapman 02-21-2008 02:29 PM

Nice if it happens. So far they haven't been able to release the Jetta.

MetroMPG 02-21-2008 02:35 PM

The big question of course will be price. Both diesels and hybrids add cost compared to a gasoline engine. VW is facing a double whammy.

H4MM3R 02-21-2008 02:48 PM

This could land in the States by 2009.

SVOboy 02-21-2008 02:54 PM

Well, I hope they bring it over here ASAP. I'm not the biggest VW fan but we need more options now and the fact that US offerings are lagging a decade behind japan and europe is just pretty damn sad.

trebuchet03 02-21-2008 05:21 PM

Our luck... VW N. America - Canada :p

MetroMPG 02-28-2008 09:23 PM

Some more news, from edmunds.com: http://blogs.edmunds.com/GreenCarAdvisor/269

They're saying the car will be a "full" parallel hybrid with an EV mode.

It'll use VW's automated, 7-speed dual-clutch manual (DSG), and it's destined for the US market, though Europe will see it first.

diesel_john 02-28-2008 11:30 PM

Hope they are savy enough to use an automatic compression release system to get the engine turning before they throw the fuel to it.
If the engine is over 1.0 Liter i am going to cry.

krousdb 03-01-2008 07:01 AM

Lots to look forward to in the next few years.... New Honda hybrid and diesel, new Prius, now a VW hybrid. I wouldn't think twice about buying Honda or Toyota, but the VW would need to be bloody awesome for me to be able to overlook the reliability issues that VW has had over the last decade or so.

tjts1 03-01-2008 02:04 PM

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Auto Bild has decided to "help" Volkswagen introduce the VW Golf TDI Hybrid concept that the automaker will be unveiling in Geneva a few days from now. So, how does it look? Pretty impressive. The car mates a 75 PS (74 HP) 3-cylinder TDI (presumably the 1.4L used in the Polo BlueMotion), a 27 horsepower electric motor and a 7-speed DSG to average 69 mpg (3.4l/100km) in the European cycle with carbon dioxide emissions of just 90 g/km. The electric motor is powered by a trunk-mounted NiMH battery. Based on the Google Translation of the page, we glean that the Golf TDI Hybrid is a full hybrid capable of running on electric power, diesel power or a combination of the two. It also uses regenerative braking, a stop/start system, and one of those energy monitor videogame screens that gives you a graphical representation of the powertrain's activity. Visually, the car sports a new Vivid Blue finish and employs narrower grillework, a lowered suspension, and low-rolling-resistance rubber to help maximize aerodynamics and fuel economy. We'll bring you full details from the show next week.
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/01/g...rid-leaks-out/
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.au..._sneak-(3).jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.au..._sneak-(2).jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.au...brid_sneak.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.au..._sneak-(1).jpg

MetroMPG 03-01-2008 04:36 PM

Nice find. Thanks for posting that.

tjts1 03-01-2008 05:09 PM

Its interesting that the car is making its debut in Geneva but the the display is in miles and MPG. Does the CNBC button take me to the latest Wall St. news? Sweet! I think this drivetrain was designed specifically for the US market. They figured they had to have a trendy "hybrid" badge to take on Toyota and Honda.

budomove 03-01-2008 07:46 PM

I like how they disconinued the lupo 1l diesel capable of the same mpg, just so they could squeeze another hybrid into the market. same as the perfectly capable hx getting pushed out for the mediocre civic hybrid. :(

f@ck big business.

tjts1 03-01-2008 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by budomove (Post 12218)
I like how they disconinued the lupo 1l diesel capable of the same mpg, just so they could squeeze another hybrid into the market. same as the perfectly capable hx getting pushed out for the mediocre civic hybrid. :(

f@ck big business.

LOL
The 1L (engine size) lupo only came as a gasser which could never dream of reaching 69mpg. The 1.2L diesel did manage 2.99L/100km consumption highway but that was about half the car of this Golf. The Lupo was discontinued because it was an over priced failure. Its been replaced by the much cheaper Brazilian built Fox. The Golf is a much larger car than both the Lupo or Fox.

The next generation LUPO is coming to America with a 3 cyl rear mounted engine.
http://www.semaforoverde.com/VW%20up!.jpg

budomove 03-01-2008 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tjts1 (Post 12219)
LOL
.... The Lupo was discontinued because it was an over priced failure.
The next generation LUPO is coming to America with a 3 cyl rear mounted engine.
http://www.semaforoverde.com/VW%20up!.jpg

tdi lupos are all over the place in italy. Thats too bad.
Great, the US needs more overpowered small cars.
The american market sucks elephants feet.
I wish we could just hypnotize everyone into being like us.

diesel_john 03-01-2008 10:58 PM

"I wish we could just hypnotize everyone into being like us."

how about instantaneous hypnotism, with a rubber mallet.

how do you take half the pistons out of a 3 cyl.

MetroMPG 03-04-2008 08:35 AM

Anybody else notice the "faux" alloys on the Golf, shown above. On closer inspection, they actually appear to be aero-friendly, very smooth discs.

H4MM3R 03-04-2008 10:12 AM

Update
 
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Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 12537)
Anybody else notice the "faux" alloys on the Golf, shown above. On closer inspection, they actually appear to be aero-friendly, very smooth discs.


They are real alloys and aero-friendly at least that is what I saw here>>> http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/04/g...ybrid-concept/ updated info.

MetroMPG what do think of those wheels? :thumbup:

MetroMPG 03-04-2008 10:52 AM

Ah - so they are alloys.

But check this link: http://www.autoblog.com/photos/vw-go...hybrid/675148/

They've got inserts between the spokes, a la Prius, effectively presenting a smooth surface to the wind, except near the center.

metroschultz 03-04-2008 11:11 AM

Hmm.
I wonder if I could make inserts like that for my wifes alloys?
They would only help when I drive anyway.
Would it be worth it just to try a concept?
Hmm.
S.

H4MM3R 03-04-2008 12:56 PM

Nice pix. I hope this car comes to north america in 2009.

tjts1 03-04-2008 04:55 PM

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PRESS RELEASE:
83 MPG, 89 G/KM OF CO2: INTRODUCING THE GOLF TDI HYBRID CONCEPT

***EDITOR'S NOTE - MPG figures described are in Imperial gallons***

The challenge: to create a viable, highly-efficient family vehicle capable of emitting less than 90 g/km of CO2. The Volkswagen engineers' solution, unveiled on the eve of the Geneva Motor Show, combines an advanced diesel engine with an electric motor and the very latest generation of seven-speed DSG gearbox. The so-called Golf TDI Hybrid concept vehicle is capable of achieving 83 mpg on the combined cycle and emitting just 89 g/km of CO2 – while around town the vehicle reverts to purely electric mode to be emission-free.

At the core of the new Golf TDI Hybrid is a highly-efficient 1.2-litre three-cylinder common rail TDI diesel engine developing 75 PS and 132 lbs ft of torque. Working either in tandem with the diesel engine or, if required, on its own, is an electric motor developing 27 PS and 103 lbs ft of torque. The electric motor also replaces the conventional starter motor and alternator to save weight and improve packaging.

It can also operate as a generator, recovering kinetic energy from the car during braking to charge the 220 volt, 45 kg nickel metal hydride battery which has a capacity of 1.4 kW hours.

In practice the electric motor powers the vehicle from standstill with the diesel engine only engaging should additional acceleration be required or at higher speeds. In these situations the diesel engine takes over with the electric motor only working if required to supplement the combustion engine – for example, during overtaking manoeuvres. When at a standstill the diesel engine shuts down completely to conserve fuel and increase efficiency. The energy split is relayed to the driver and passengers through a graphic display accessed through the touchscreen satellite navigation screen.

Drive on the concept car is channelled through the new seven-speed DSG twin-clutch gearbox. This features a pair of dry clutches as opposed to the wet clutches and sets a new energy efficiency standard for automatic gearboxes.

Visual changes which differentiate the Golf TDI Hybrid include a new, unique grille design, smaller front air intakes to reduce aerodynamic drag and subtle 'TDI-Hybrid' badging. The Golf TDI Hybrid also sits lower than the standard Golf on revised suspension and adopts the front splitter from the Golf GTI Edition 30 to help further reduce aerodynamic drag. A unique interior further distinguishes the Golf TDI Hybrid from the conventional vehicle.

The Golf TDI Hybrid is currently a concept vehicle, but a version of this vehicle is likely to go into production in the future.

This study follows the recent launch of the efficient new Golf BlueMotion. Adopting an optimised 1.9-litre, four-cylinder diesel engine linked to a revised gearbox and more efficient aerodynamics the Golf BlueMotion can achieve a combined 62.8 mpg while emitting just 119 g/km of CO2 meaning it will be exempt from the London Congestion Charge from October 27th onwards.

Timing

* Makes its world debut at the Geneva Motor Show
* The Golf TDI Hybrid is likely to inspire a future production vehicle


Key facts

* An engineering study aimed at extracting maximum efficiency from the combination of an advanced common rail diesel engine and a powerful electric motor designed to work in tandem; also uses very latest generation of seven-speed DSG gearbox
* The so-called Golf TDI Hybrid concept vehicle is capable of achieving 83 mpg on the combined cycle and emitting just 89 g/km of CO2; around town the vehicle reverts to purely electric mode to be emission-free
* Powered by a highly-efficient 1.2-litre three-cylinder common rail TDI diesel engine developing 75 PS and 132 lbs ft of torque. Working either in tandem with the diesel engine or, if required, on its own, is an electric motor developing 27 PS and 103 lbs ft of torque. The electric motor also replaces the conventional starter motor and alternator to save weight and improve packaging
* The motor also operates as a generator, recovering kinetic energy from the car during braking to charge the 220 volt, boot-mounted 45 kg nickel metal hydride battery which has a capacity of 1.4 kW hours
* The electric motor powers the vehicle from standstill with the diesel engine only engaging should additional acceleration be required or at higher speeds. In these situations the diesel engine takes over with the electric motor only working if required to supplement the combustion engine – for example, during overtaking manoeuvres
* When the vehicle is stationary the diesel engine shuts down completely to conserve fuel and increase efficiency. The energy split is relayed to the driver and passengers through a graphic display accessed through the touchscreen satellite navigation screen
* Drive on the concept car is channelled through the new seven-speed DSG twin-clutch gearbox
* Visual changes which differentiate the Golf TDI Hybrid include a new, unique grille design, smaller front air intakes to reduce aerodynamic drag and subtle 'TDI-Hybrid' badging. The Golf TDI Hybrid also sits lower than the standard Golf on revised suspension and adopts the front splitter from the Golf GTI Edition 30 to help further reduce aerodynamic drag

A unique interior further distinguishes the Golf TDI Hybrid from the conventional vehicle
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/03...s-1-2l-3-cyli/

H4MM3R 03-07-2008 05:24 AM

I need this car.

ECONORAM 03-28-2010 11:36 PM

You know, this sounds really good...except for the fact my old 78 and 81 diesel Rabbits would BOTH get 50 mpg with no mods. The Cd was about 0.34. I can't imagine how they would do in the hands of an ecomodder today.

will88 06-29-2010 06:32 AM

any news on this or did it die like all the other concepts

Laurentiu 06-29-2010 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by will88 (Post 181364)
any news on this or did it die like all the other concepts

Unfortunately they say 2015+ might be hitting the market :turtle:

VW Twin Drive plug-in hybrids not due until 2015 - MotorAuthority

VW to fleet test Twin Drive Golf plug-in hybrid concept in 2010 — Autoblog

Unfortunately for God knows what reasons they always seem to ship unnecessarily large engines over the Atlantic, like all other car manufacturers :confused:

Does size really matter so much in the US of A ? :D

robchalmers 06-29-2010 07:50 AM

It kind of went away VW is still playing with the hybrid idea on the V8 Toureg, (polishing a turd, eco-wise imho) but the current gen golf blue motion runs huge MPG with out the weight, cost and complexity of development

oh and 2 other things:

1.The lupo wasn't an over priced failure - or even a failure of any kind, it came to the end of its design life along with the Arosa and the only thing Group had to follow it was the Fox.

2.Gassers aren't always cheaper than Diesels from a build point of view. Simple economies of scale v's development cost spread across the 4 group brands + outside partners means the diesels can be more than just fuel sippers but income generators. Over here and especially in mainland europe i'd say its almost a 70/30 diesel/petrol split of cars bought or running.


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