ok, enough EV and Biodiesel, how about h20?
I am a decently longtime lurker but I wanted to wait to post something worthwhile, i hope.
I found a fuel technology that involves water electrolysis which creates something called "Brown's Gas", a hh2 mixture (2 hydrogen atoms) that are injected through the intake pcv to the engine. I read claims that you can get anywhere from 45-86% increased efficiency with any carburated or gasoline engine. I downloaded an e-book and i can email it to anyone who wants it. I just want to know, before i build my own system, is this a bunch of hogwash or is it feasible? I know this is not also related but my front bumper has been crushed and is held together by zip ties, It's a plastic bumper so my second and unrelated question is; Am I able to bond fiberglass resin to it? I want to make an aero bumper with an air scoop for my intake where the right foglight mount. I have a 2001 Honda Civic EX for visual purposes. |
yes, you can fiberglass plastic. It's easier to cold weld it though. Well, not easier, but it works better. Well, not better, but it's still good.
Cold-welding ABS plastic:
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Hydrogen burns great. The trouble is making it in the first place, and how much energy that takes.
If you are making it on the fly by using electricity generated from your alternator, it is going to take a LOT of energy to make, thus greatly loading down your engine. In some ways, it's like trying to make a perpetual motion machine. One way it could work, is to have a supply of charged batteries, which would run the current to make the gas. Charge the batteries at home, and recharge them again right when you get back. A more efficient way to use that electricity would be just to have it run a motor instead. A seperately charged hydrogen gas generation system would have the advantage of still being able to cut over to just running on gasoline only. I assume there would have to be some timing changes to make everything run right, so that might be an issue. A while back, I talked to a really smart guy who has built a slick electric truck, is running a wind generator, and has other smart-guy projects going on. I asked him about hydrogen generation for automotive fuel use. He said he experimented with it and had no luck. I assume he was doing the typical way of running the battery off the alternator to run the H2 generator. If you try running a system off seperately charged batteries, I would be interested in the results. That's the only way I can really see a workable system. |
Looks like lurking doesn't quite cut it. Try the search function.
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If this topic is a recurring theme, why not sticky one of them so it doesn't come up again? |
If you choose to ignore good, simple, fast, accurate advice such as typing in "hho" in the search box and seconds later coming up with 104 ecomodder links to that topic hho - Google Search be my guest.
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If you want a schematic, I can email you one that cost some unfortunate people a large cumulative amount of money...
(that isn't me, cuz I haven't paid for schematics since I got plans to build a potato alarm clock when I was 7) Garrett Water Carburetor - 01/12/98 Discovery of OxyHyd by William A. Rhodes - KeelyNet 12/17/01 Cottell Ultrasonic Carburetor New Fuel - Toluene & Water Hydrogen production at 1.24 volts Randell Mills Water as Fuel Water as Fuel Quote from Chain Reaction Finsrud #1 Fuel from Water - KeelyNet 01/09/02 Those are all offsite... if you want some on-site, use the search function.. and don't be a smartass. |
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Back on topic, I'm reading the very first post on this. |
Suit yourself.
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So yes, the results are inconclusive. There were too many variables to document accurate results. I do have plans on working on this project later to see if it improves the fuel efficiency of my car but the biggest contributions for me right now are a roof rack delete (going to Yakima Landing Pad 7) and a grill delete on my cars bumper with just the one intake port with a pipe leading straight to my intake.
I found a promising instructable though. http://www.instructables.com/id/HHO-...tion/?ALLSTEPS so maybe the possibility exists of this working? The research continues before i begin the experiments. |
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It's only a flaw if you acknowledge it exists, then refuse to correct it. Imperfection is not an excuse for ignorance. Would you like a few more? |
lets hear more idioms.
Aside from the assery, back on topic. So based on the various 1930-40's patents the results are still inconclusive and vary on too many variables, what i like about the instructable above is that he mentioned driving his car as hard as he could under all conditions and still saw a 4x% improvement with a grape juice bottle as the reservoir. A very promising design can be seen here |
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If you want the truth, seek it. You can build the kit for under $50. |
I will, thank you.
I'm noticing some serious flaws in the scientific process of the projects I've seen. Thomas Edison had a switchboard of 2,000 lightbulbs with 2,000 different filaments to see what was best, I might have to take the same approach. His result was a carbonized cotton filament. |
keep us updated... and start a project thread
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What, are you NCIS or something? :P
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In response to the hydrogen boost guy, i can't trust anyone who has a pay link on the bottom of his page for more info.
Also, did you know that the japanese released a car that runs solely on water? The video was dated 6/13/2008. |
Did you listen to the alternative fuels argument?
Professor doubts water car claims | Video | Reuters.com |
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haha, I'm looking up too many things at once. I'm thinking that improving the aerodynamics and breathability of my car are on the top of my list.
I started a new thread as I encourage insight and i did a search this time ;P |
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And that water car is a joke without any scientific explanation. Too good to be true is the most likely explanation at this point in time. I wouldn't give them any investment money just based on that video, got scam written all over it. |
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Solutions: 1) Copy paste a standard reply 2) or if you are going to be a douche... don't reply at all It's pretty simple. |
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That was said. OP had a smart response for it. Hence the reason FrankLee posted what he did. Try reading the thread thoroughly before taking a post out of context and trying to bash it after the conflict has been resolved. |
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See, problem resolved. |
Please keep it civil.
I don't want to close down this thread because there is some good conversation in it, but please be respectful of others and follow forum eticiq...etticcit...etiquettte...um. Good manners. |
I know that there is some promise in this experiement but Christ showed one me a page that caught my interest and concern. I was looking at the temperatures and don't remember them exactly but gasoline burns at what, 790-900 degrees? Now hydrogen burns at 200 degrees higher temperatures. What are the long term effects on an aluminum engine block? Steel?
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HHO is always going to be a heated topic here, especially because there is a whole lot of talk about it and still no proof that any retrofit system works. Sure, it improves combustion efficiency in highly tailored environments, but what does that mean for us? Unless one of us is building and engine from scratch, I think, not much.
If you want to talk about specs on building hho systems and fiddling around with that stuff, go here: HHO Forums - Trying to facilitate the production of HHO for the common folk. - Powered by vBulletin EcoModder is for proven or scientifically sound modifications and driving techniques, so let's keep it there or junk will have to be culled. What's more, EM is a place of civilized discussion, meaning no name calling or blatant rudeness. If you break the rules you will be yelled at, your posts deleted, and you banned. So keep that in mind, :) |
To answer the question, the hydrogen cars that are currently in production are equipped with aluminum engines.
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