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bandit86 09-26-2013 11:57 AM

Pickup trucks and bed aero
 
Been looking at the aerodynamics of pickup trucks since I bough an 03 ram diesel last week. The ram 1500 has a tiny little spoiler on it that the 25/3500 series don't, it cleans up airflow and guys claim a half mpg increas from this straight bolt on part. There is also a short flat piece that goes behind the top of the cab and helps redirect airflow over the open box. Supposed to work I can't find real use numbers

Today I saw a truck with a softtopper on it. It's like a convertible top, folds out of the way when not needed. The guy had the sides off, just the top was up and I was wondering if a straight piece of wood might be enough, even curved from the top of the cab slanted to the back of the tailgate.

Second thing I wonder about is the dam in the front, the trucks being so high off the ground what if the dam was more sloped backwards

kach22i 09-26-2013 02:15 PM

The chin spoiler really should not be any lower than the lowest thing on the underside which can grab air. My S-10 4x4 has been raised a little by a previous owner, and the chin is about 7-1/2" off the ground.

Chin Spoiler:
Chin Spolier - fast/easy/cheap/effective - Pelican Parts Technical BBS

If you have a cover on the bed, then yes air flow will trip over the top of the tailgate lip. On my older truck I re-directed it there on purpose with a roof wing. Your truck has an arc in the roof which does the same.

Rear Spoiler:
Rear Spoiler on Pick Up Truck - Experiment - Pelican Parts Technical BBS

Roof wing:
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...1-a-19525.html

From what I've reading and been seeing on pick-up truck wind tunnel pictures, they have addressed many of the issues you questioned. However, one of the wind tunnel pictures of the Ram has been said to be photo-shopped. I have no verification of that, it's just what another forum member claimed/observed.

http://s184.photobucket.com/user/kac...?sort=3&page=1
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...psa9f4225e.jpg

PaleMelanesian 09-26-2013 02:49 PM

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...bums-3541.html
http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-ae...truck-aero.jpg

PaleMelanesian 09-26-2013 02:52 PM

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...down-9732.html
http://ecomodder.com/imgs/airdam-front.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 122488)
So, in conclusion: a giant ugly air dam apparently has a greater positive effect on drag than rolling up the the driver's window.


skyking 09-26-2013 03:57 PM

I bellypanned my 96 diesel, used various grill blocks, and even made a testing aeroshell for it.
The trouble is, I have not run it any significant amount of time to collect data. I had more efficient rigs to drive. When it moves these days it is towing something heavy or large or both.

kach22i 09-26-2013 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skyking (Post 392728)
96 diesel, used various grill blocks.......

If you ask me, grille blocking a Diesel is dancing with the devil.

I cannot see how the benefits would outweigh the risks.

skyking 09-26-2013 04:54 PM

Not at all. One of the things about a truck like mine is huge excess cooling capacity.
It was designed for a worst case scenario of making a continuous 180 HP while towing a 9300 pound load up a steep grade at high altitude on a hot summer day.
Real world loadings are paltry, by comparison. I ran it all last winter with NO cooling fan, for example. Then I started blocking the grille off to see what heated up. I have instruments for transmission temps, EGT, intake temps, you name it.
Now I have a couple of electrics that I run on low speed when towing the 5th wheel.
Last week I took it up to 5000 feet on a cool day on Rainier, towing an empty 3500 pound flatbed trailer with the fans turned off.

kach22i 09-26-2013 07:52 PM

I stand corrected then.

Diesel_Dave 09-27-2013 09:50 AM

Yeah, I've run (unloaded) in 100 deg F heat with the grille 100% completely blocked off and didn't overheat the coolant. That requires several other efficiency improvements (EOC P&G and others), but illustrates the point.

kach22i 09-27-2013 11:05 AM

I drove a 1986 Diesel Golf from 1985-1990, put 80,000 miles on her (purchased new). At around 60,000 miles it blew a head gasket, which apparently they were known for. Mostly covered by the extended warranty I purchased. It was an expensive policy and an expensive repair - I broke even.

I don't think my electric fan ever went on, even had the dealership check it in the first few months of ownership because I thought that it was odd and perhaps broke.

skyking 09-27-2013 11:09 AM

I'm not going to block the grille on my TDI bug either, I think they run much closer to capacity on a regular basis. The intercooler gets a lot more use than my truck, for sure.
I'll get active grille on the truck this winter (sure I will ;) ).

kach22i 09-27-2013 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skyking (Post 392876)
I'm not going to block the grille on my TDI bug either

The grille on that car is already just a lower valance slot, a fraction of exposed area verses traditional looking cars. I would not mess with the Bug either.

jamesqf 09-27-2013 01:17 PM

Something I have been thinking about re the aerodynamics of the pickup bed. Suppose that instead of looking from the side, we look down from above. Then perhaps cutting a couple of NACA-style inlets behind the cab and louvering or dropping the tailgate would really improve the airflow. Any thoughts?

kach22i 09-27-2013 02:00 PM

Sketch it up, I bet someone has pondered a similar thought at one time or another and will recognize it.

freebeard 09-28-2013 04:43 PM

Quote:

Been looking at the aerodynamics of pickup trucks since I bough an 03 ram diesel last week.

Today I saw a truck with a softtopper on it. It's like a convertible top, folds out of the way when not needed.
How about a soft-topper under a rack? If you did it right it could look like this:
http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-fr...w12-650-16.jpg

Quote:

Second thing I wonder about is the dam in the front...
There's lots of opportunity in the wheelwells.


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