quest for better fuel mileage while pulling a travel trailer
 

:eek:has anybody tried to streamline a crew cab pickup truck and 30 ft. travel trailer;)

there are people that have optimised truck and trailer rigs, on this site, try different search phrases, if i find them ill post it for you, as i recall they worked to enclose, as best you can the gap between rig and trailer, and also i know even smallish kammback,s on the rear of the camper might help, ,,,alot if the rear of the rig is rounded, air breaks of cleaner from a sharp line than a rounded edge. there is also some info up at the top of this forum in the "sticky" .

Your best bet without lots of fabricating is to put a topper on that matches as nearly as possible the height of the trailer.

thanks for the replies. This spring I would like to try to work with the aerodynamics of my 1994 Ford 4x4 F350 diesel crew cab and 30 ft. travel trailer. Presently 11 mpg pulling and 18 MPG unloaded.

You may want to try to install an air dam on top of your truck bed cap that is as tall as your trailer and vee shaped to deflect the wind to the side. Look at the top of semi tractor cabs, a lot of them have a deflector to help reduce drag.

type?
 

zoom,is it a tongue-pull,or 5th-wheel trailer?

it says travel trailer i think that indicates its not a 5th wheel aero.

Zoom, I am currently working on streamlining my Quad cab. Have not tried with a trailer yet. However, I think my mods would work. I am going to wire in my MPGuino and see what results I get...

Hucho
 

zoom,if you can get access to Hucho's book,he's got a section on caravan trailers.Also,everything in the commercial vehicle section which deals with tractor-trailers would also apply.

Thank you for all of your suggestions I will be working on my 1994 Ford F. 350 diesel crew cab long box with a flat toper and 30 ft. travel trailer not a fifth wheel. In all what you have said about tractor-trailers having an aerodynamic deflector on the cab. I'm wondering if a rack was made for the top of the truck and a light aluminum boat was put up on this rack upside-down with the bow to the front and the Stern close to the trailer but not in the way of turning and somehow filling the gap between the trailer and the boat and truck. I realize that will not gain a lot of and MPG in normal circumstances but with my truck the horsepower is only around 200 and when I pulled my trailer out to Montana from Wisconsin, it not only seems like an uphill drive all the way but it seems like your battling 20 to 30 mph Headwinds that would decrease my fuel mileage down to 7 mpg from 11MPH this is where the aerodynamics would really shine. By the way I have a pullright hitching system too. thanks again you all have great suggestions! Zoom

See? The wind is strong here.

Tractor-Trailer Drag Distribution

25-35% Tractor Drag

An aerodynamic tractor only affects the flow over the trailer face!
70% of the drag of a tractor trailer is trailer drag.

65-75% Trailer Drag

- 30% Trailer Front Face
- 30% Trailer Base
- 30% Undercarriage
- 10% Side and Top Surfaces

Trailer Drag

Pressure Drag - normal to surface

• Hot Spots: front face, rear face, undercarriage
• Comprises more than 90% of total trailer drag

Friction Drag - tangential to surface

• Hot Spots: side and top surfaces
• Comprises less than 8% of total trailer drag

Roughness Drag - this is a pressure drag increment

• Hot Spots: side and top surfaces
• Comprises less than 2% of total trailer drag

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boat
 

zoom,the boat idea is a good one.I have an article from the 1950s,where they've done this very thing and also closed in the sides above the rails.
If you can close the gap between truck and trailer with some kinda flexible seal you might pick up an additional 10% mpg.

I'm reading that fascinating thread that slowmover posted, and somebody posted an interesting data point:

Interesting, and goes against everything truckers have said in rallying for the repeal of lower speed limits for trucks.

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Originally Posted by Clev (Post 166388) I'm reading that fascinating thread that slowmover posted, and somebody posted an interesting data point: Interesting, and goes against everything truckers have said in rallying for the repeal of lower speed limits for trucks.

Don't be too quick on the gun. The world of four wheelers and big trucks only overlap in imagination. It is difficult to maintain a 50-mph headway in a big truck . . a 10" stop in a car can have, at equivalent, 30" or more in a heavily-laden big truck. Then, I have plenty of times not been able to re-gain 65-mph for more than 30" since departure as the truck is so heavy, the truck straining; hills, traffic, etc. At the end of a workday one's average speed is not very high. 70 mph allows one to keep speeds, overall, at a decent clip. One can trip plan for a 60 mph day in a car, but a big truck is 50 mph (industry average); this is all hours on the road.



As to streamlining pickup truck and travel trailer, the "rule" is 24-30" for a gap that can be faired. On my rig, the distance from TV (tow vehicle) tailgate to TT (travel trailer) front was 60". Among the above quotes was this:

At distances over 24" inches between the trailer and the tractor, drag goes up considerable. By 48" you have the drag of TWO FULL FRONTAL AREAS. Might as well have the trailer beside the truck!


I think it's important to note two things about trailers: the one used for pleasure, and the one used for business. The first may only be pulled, say, 5,000-miles/year. The second is the one on which to pay special attention (going for length to cut height; reduced width, etc) as it may travel 10X as far. In which case going to FEATHERLITE to custom-spec a trailer would be, IMO, worthwhile.

This is the way I wrote it in an email to another guy:

Were I in a position to spec a cargo trailer I would do my best to keep height and width to a minimum, about 6'H and 6'W for purposes of fuel economy. It wouldn't be higher than my truck and certainly not wider. I would rather have an extra ten feet in length (well, five feet plus) than another one foot in heighth or width. An 8'H x 8'W x 20'L trailer could be 6'H x 7'W x 30'L if cubic capacity had to be identical. (Which I doubt). Here are the words of an expert:

"I would rather tow a trailer that is 6 feet longer and 2000 lbs. heavier than one-foot taller."

The difference between the two trailers is 64 sq/ft frontal area versus 42 sq/ft frontal area; a reduction of one-third.

All corners and edges should be greatly radiused. My nine-and-half-foot tall 34' travel trailer had such, and wind just rolled off of it, instead of piling up against -- and pushing against -- the trailer wall edges and corners. I haven't found the source, but have seen quoted numerous times that a square box versus a rounded/aero trailer had road horsepower differences for the same speed of 50HP and 30HP respectively. AIRSTREAM maintains that their trailers take 20% less fuel to tow, all other things the same.


The best travel trailer is an aerodynamic, all-aluminum, independently-suspended one. AIRSTREAM is the only survivor of that era. I averaged 13 on the backroads with my SILVER STREAK, and 15 mpg Interstate at 63 mph/ 1,850-rpm. Had I reduced to my current solo speed of 58-9 mph, I would (I believe) have broken 16-mpg (34' trailer). I am not alone at this. The "best" mpg appears to be, currently, with European turbodiesel SUV's pulling AIRSTREAM trailers at 16-mpg and better.

V8 diesels do poorly compared to 6's, but both benefit from many, many details related to hitch rigging, alignment, tires, etc, etc.

Don't forget fiberglass
 

There is also a thriving breed of molded fiberglass trailers designed for towing by small vehicles. You can learn more here.
Egg Central

It depends on driving conditions and habits of course but I get anywhere from 15 to 18 mpg towing my 19' Scamp fifth wheel with a 4.7L 4WD Tundra for example.
http://kamperbob.com/EU3kReceiver/GenMounted.jpg

Cheers
KB

Add a boat tail and under belly pan.

How bout skirt and a big spoiler on the top of the truck

I get anywhere from 15 to 18 mpg towing my 19' Scamp fifth wheel with a 4.7L 4WD Tundra

I'd enjoy seeing some interior shots of that. That's a cool rig (from a guy who really dislikes 5'ers).

Have you ever calculated storage space (cubic foot enclosed storage of cabinets/closets)? Have seen CASITA and SCAMP and some other "oddballs" but not ever heard about trade-offs (am familiar with aluminum trailer so-called "deficiencies" [primarily psychological IMO]) in "living".

I looked at the company website, but have trouble believing any of them in re weight, so, as a "hypermiler" I figure you have a short stack of weight scale tickets:

What is dry weight as well as GVWR?

What is the GCW on that rig as pictured?

Pin weight?

How does it do on a scale reading per axle?

Is the roof a solid cap, or a multi-piece "rubber roof"?

What are fresh and waste water capacities?

What is your impression of how long they last (time and miles)?

Thanks.

Good questions that I'm happy to answer but it's a different conversation so I created a new thread.
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...tml#post179013

Cheers
KB

Interesting. I wanted to do something similar, but make the top from fiberglas, with two pieces, one stationary and one moveable, so it could serve aerodynamic purposes when the truck is unloaded, and could resemble a normal topper when extended.

I am working up a belly pan for my truck right now, but I have noticed it is slightly impacting my engine cooling. Still need some refinement. ;)