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redpoint5 11-23-2022 09:29 PM

Recommend Spot Welder
 
I have a portable spot welder I bought to connect nickel battery tabs. It was garbage and would only weld a couple tabs before being too low energy to make an OK connection. I don't even consider them that ok. Then it died.

All the highest rated spot welders on Amazon are portable. Then there's bench welders that all have lower ratings and are about 4x the price.

No reviews say they can weld 2mm nickel reliably.

Anyone know of any product capable of making good welds on battery tabs? Seems like the market is flooded with junk that doesn't work and there's nothing at any price for consumers.

freebeard 11-23-2022 09:44 PM

Link is a dead end, but I've got one of these:

https://external-content.duckduckgo....d2e&ipo=images
https://external-content.duckduckgo....d2e&ipo=images

This comes with a spotwelding head

oil pan 4 11-23-2022 11:10 PM

I got the harbor freight 240v one.
Turns out they are good for making sten guns.

redpoint5 11-24-2022 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by oil pan 4 (Post 677212)
I got the harbor freight 240v one.
Turns out they are good for making sten guns.

I only see this, which is suitable for joining sheet metal or something, but wouldn't be capable of joining battery tabs

https://www.harborfreight.com/240v-s...der-61206.html

freebeard 11-24-2022 01:09 AM

What -- exactly -- are you trying to accomplish?

redpoint5 11-24-2022 01:19 AM

"connect nickel battery tabs"

https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HLB1RS.YX...ape-For-Li.jpg

freebeard 11-24-2022 12:42 PM

So the pincer-style spot welder is right out. Try renting the style in #2.

Have you considered a laser?

redpoint5 11-24-2022 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oil pan 4 (Post 677212)
I got the harbor freight 240v one.
Turns out they are good for making sten guns.

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 677243)
So the pincer-style spot welder is right out. Try renting the style in #2.

Have you considered a laser?

I did see something on Alibaba marketed as an untrasonic welder for $8,000.

When I say I'm willing to pay any price, I mean any reasonable price for achieving the correct temperature for the correct duration to sufficiently fuse nickel with steel.

*Oops, just realized I've been incorrectly saying zinc instead of nickel. Corrected.

freebeard 11-24-2022 01:14 PM

Quote:

https://www.periodic-table.org › nickel-melting-point
Nickel - Melting Point - Periodic Table
17 Nov 2020 Melting point of Nickel is 1455°C. Note that, these points are associated with the standard atmospheric pressure.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_beam_welding

oil pan 4 11-24-2022 05:04 PM

May need to build your own I bet there's a few on youtube.

redpoint5 11-24-2022 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by oil pan 4 (Post 677252)
May need to build your own I bet there's a few on youtube.

Yep, was afraid of that.

Every now and again it surprises me when I need to invent something, but then again those are market opportunities. You'd think making battery packs was a common enough thing there'd be a fantastic tool.

I did invent a white LED headlamp in 1999 by soldering in my own resistors and LEDs into a bulb I crushed and wired everything into.

Invented supercapacitor battery per Lasersaber's success.

I'll reiterate that solving the problem that most troubles you and making it available for purchase is probably the most straightforward path to financial wellbeing. I call those million dollar ideas, which I used to dream up with more frequency because youth is more creative. I'm down to about one a month these days.

freebeard 11-25-2022 12:56 AM

Ideas are a dime a dozen. I've had a few myself.

First principles first. Does it need to be welded at all? Would a gas-tight connection suffice?

What solution would en-tool you to face additional challenges in the future?

redpoint5 11-25-2022 01:45 AM

Eh, you start with screwdrivers and the collection grows from there, and before you know it you've got strut spring compressors, battery capacity meters, and the contemplation of an oscilloscope.

I'm trying to pull current sufficient to start a vehicle from small cells in series. Good connections are required.

redneck 11-25-2022 07:31 AM

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A very informative video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=231qtaRIs3M



Link to a 18650 spot welder

https://www.ebay.com/itm/30442246160...Bk9SR_a3yuuVYQ


This is not a endorsement.

I have no personal experience with this welder.

Though it looks like it gets the job done…



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Piotrsko 11-25-2022 09:46 AM

Many use the transformer out of a microwave oven, but I am fairly certian there is some disassembly and rewinding involved. Harbor fright used to have a decent cheapo spotwelder, not good enough for production but adequate for home use. ( low cycle duty)

I have a parked 2.5 kw 48 volt server UPS that probably has transformers capable,, but it weighs a hundred pounds

oil pan 4 11-25-2022 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piotrsko (Post 677271)
Many use the transformer out of a microwave oven, but I am fairly certian there is some disassembly and rewinding involved. Harbor fright used to have a decent cheapo spotwelder, not good enough for production but adequate for home use. ( low cycle duty)

I have a parked 2.5 kw 48 volt server UPS that probably has transformers capable,, but it weighs a hundred pounds

I have that one it's my sten gun spot welder. It can to a several welds before it needs to cool off for a while. Still only about a 3% duty cycle.

hayden55 11-30-2022 08:43 AM

2mm thick nickel strips? Muh gawd thats thick. Why?

redpoint5 11-30-2022 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by hayden55 (Post 677456)
2mm thick nickel strips? Muh gawd thats thick. Why?

I don't know if that's necessary yet.

I'm trying to start a car with these cells, so I need to be able to pass 250 amps through them.

oil pan 4 11-30-2022 01:12 PM

I think most of the spot welders for sale are geared more towards hobbyists making batteries for "toys" like remote controlled cars, drones, ect.

hayden55 11-30-2022 02:19 PM

i would think 2mm would be bolt on or you will need to spot weld and stack multiple strips. i think my headway cells that will start a car were like $50 with the 1.5mm thick bolt on nickel strips

redpoint5 11-30-2022 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hayden55 (Post 677456)
2mm thick nickel strips? Muh gawd thats thick. Why?

What I really need is for the batteries to come with threaded terminals.

I've got something like this for my Maxwell supercaps

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/...AC_SL1451_.jpg

freebeard 11-30-2022 03:11 PM

Tesa and Westinghouse would recognize the bus bar construction.

Meanwhile, they're working on solid state batteries configured as a card, that can be stacked and compresed together into a deck of any height/voltage.
Quote:

https://www.nasa.gov › aeroresearch › nasa-solid-state-battery-research-exceeds-initial-goals-draws-interest
NASA's Solid-State Battery Research Exceeds Initial Goals
7 Oct 2022The possibilities are pretty incredible." This illustration depicts the inside of a cell used in SABERS's solid-state battery, which is made primarily from sulfur and selenium. Unlike lithium-ion batteries, these cells can be stacked on top of one another without encasings to separate them. Credits: NASA New Developments
From TFA:
Quote:

Instead of housing each individual battery cell inside its own steel casing, as liquid batteries do, all the cells in SABERS’s battery can be stacked vertically inside one casing. Thanks in part to this novel design, SABERS has demonstrated solid-state batteries can power objects at the huge capacity of 500 watt-hours per kilogram – double that of an electric car.

“Not only does this design eliminate 30 to 40 percent of the battery’s weight, it also allows us to double or even triple the energy it can store, far exceeding the capabilities of lithium-ion batteries that are considered to be the state of the art,” Viggiano said.

Should be biking 11-30-2022 07:22 PM

Have you looked at the Glitter 801B? It worked well for soldering up a bike battery pack.

redpoint5 11-30-2022 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Should be biking (Post 677472)
Have you looked at the Glitter 801B? It worked well for soldering up a bike battery pack.

My preference would be some benchtop device, but for some reason they all are rated worse than the battery devices. Could be some sort of uneven distribution of shill ratings, but it has me curious.

I also wonder why the benchtop devices are at least twice as expensive? Shouldn't not having batteries reduce the cost? Corded things usually cost less than "cordless".

redpoint5 12-05-2022 04:03 AM

Well, I pulled apart the "broken" welder today and measured the voltage of the battery at 2.0v. Couldn't get it to charge when plugged into the USB C charger.

Tried using my multipurpose hobby charger to charge it, but it complained that the voltage was too low.

Used my switching power supply to bring voltage up enough to where my hobby charger would charge, and then boosted until the regular onboard USB charger would take over.

Unit is as good as ever, which isn't great. Doesn't make good welds. Good chance it's the operator.

hayden55 12-05-2022 11:40 AM

Have you try tack welding with car batteries and some sort of rod that is appropriate for nickel? I would try it in an unfinished room like a grage or outside first lol but its doable.

redpoint5 12-05-2022 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hayden55 (Post 677710)
Have you try tack welding with car batteries and some sort of rod that is appropriate for nickel? I would try it in an unfinished room like a grage or outside first lol but its doable.

Only with a screwdriver, carelessly working on a car near the battery.

I'll practice a bit more with this unit. Initially I had been using lots of pressure and maximized the tip surface of the welder, but apparently you're supposed to use light pressure and the edge of the tips, creating a higher resistance connection.


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