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RustyLugNut 11-07-2018 11:22 PM

Renewable energy storage scheme.
 
Here is a storage scheme that parallels the idea of using excess renewable energy to lift large bricks and use the resultant potential energy later.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90261233...edium=referral

redneck 11-08-2018 06:41 AM

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Same concept as using rail cars.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/siteninja/m...S_-_101217.pdf


Central storage areas would work for highly populated areas.

Outside of populated areas, individual systems could be developed.

For instance, a chimney like structure could be added to a home with a
winch-motor-generator and a large weight. (Concrete or water)

Many years ago, I think it was Popular Science. Had a article that proposed putting a large concrete flywheel in the basement of a home for energy storage.


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kach22i 11-08-2018 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by RustyLugNut (Post 583299)
Here is a storage scheme that parallels the idea of using excess renewable energy to lift large bricks and use the resultant potential energy later.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90261233...edium=referral

Frictional losses verses evaporation of reservoirs or cost of water towers?

I learned about the below a few months ago, similar to as described in the article I suspect.

Ludington Pumped Storage Power Plant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luding...ge_Power_Plant
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At night, during low demand for electricity, the turbines run in reverse to pump water 363 feet (111 m) uphill from Lake Michigan into the reservoir. The plant takes advantage of the natural steep sand dune landform of eastern Lake Michigan. During periods of peak demand water is released to generate power.
The below is new to me as well, it is interesting.

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Originally Posted by redneck (Post 583305)

The cost of land would have a serious affect on that system, as much as geography has on the earth berm reservoir systems.

Yea, the original concept posted offers a lot of advantages.

seifrob 11-08-2018 11:02 AM

The trouble is in sheer mass that is needed to be transported. Lets say you want to make a cup of tea. To heat cup of water you need Q=cmdT, having m=0,2 kg; dT=85'C;c=4200 kJ/kg'C gives amount of 71400 Joules. Thats equivalent of rising 1 ton concrete block into height of 7 meters!

For any practical implementation you need to literally move mountains. Real time.

redpoint5 11-08-2018 12:04 PM

Space elevator and energy storage-

When excess power is generated, reel the space elevator in a bit with an electric motor. To get the power back out, the centrifugal force will spin the generator as the elevator unwinds.

oil pan 4 11-08-2018 01:49 PM

Very simple physics math tells us this isn't really useful, unless you have something the size of a lake.

Daox 11-08-2018 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by oil pan 4 (Post 583340)
Very simple physics math tells us this isn't really useful, unless you have something the size of a lake.

Which makes it quite impressive to compare to the energy content of modern batteries or a gallon of gasoline.

Piotrsko 11-09-2018 09:50 AM

Hasn't PGE been doing this for forever at Huntington lake just north of FRESNO?

The lake is full at dinnertime, perhaps 5 ft lower at dawn

jamesqf 11-09-2018 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Piotrsko (Post 583394)
The lake is full at dinnertime, perhaps 5 ft lower at dawn

Not quite the same: they just adjust the rate at which water flows out through the generators, rather than pumping it back up. (At least as far as I could find.) This is done to some extent with most dams.

seifrob 11-11-2018 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jamesqf (Post 583418)
Not quite the same: they just adjust the rate at which water flows out through the generators, rather than pumping it back up. (At least as far as I could find.) This is done to some extent with most dams.

... What is clever actually. Let the Sun do the actual pumping! (well, and the Rain too...)

jamesqf 11-11-2018 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by seifrob (Post 583550)
Let the Sun do the actual pumping!

Yes, when you get down to fundamentals, hydroelectricity IS solar power :-)

redpoint5 11-11-2018 11:40 PM

Everything is solar power, including fossil fuels, except for nuclear power (which is supernova power, or whatever mechanism creates the heavy and unstable atoms).

I'm solar powered. Thought about making a tee shirt that said as much.

jamesqf 11-12-2018 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 583586)
Everything is solar power...

Not really. Geothermal is a mix of supernova (all those radioisotopes decaying underground) and gravity.

oil pan 4 11-12-2018 01:17 AM

To build elements heavier than Te is a process called the proton capture process.

RustyLugNut 11-12-2018 04:08 PM

It is more accurate to say we are nuclear powered.
 
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Originally Posted by jamesqf (Post 583588)
Not really. Geothermal is a mix of supernova (all those radioisotopes decaying underground) and gravity.

All our energy currently comes from some form of nuclear energy - sun or the earths core. Unless you can capture the energy of a passing asteroid and turn its kinetic energy into a usable energy form.

RustyLugNut 11-12-2018 04:14 PM

The first proton accelerator I worked on spent a lot of time doing this.
 
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Originally Posted by oil pan 4 (Post 583590)
To build elements heavier than Te is a process called the proton capture process.

A large part of our day was spent on elemental research. The nights were also filled with government guys with black boxes and lots of armed security using our proton accelerator to shoot beams into their black boxes. Then they would go away. Until they had another black box to shoot.

Also, neutron generators are used in heavy element creation.

kach22i 11-12-2018 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RustyLugNut (Post 583650)
All our energy currently comes from some form of nuclear energy - sun or the earths core. Unless you can capture the energy of a passing asteroid and turn its kinetic energy into a usable energy form.

Looking at it that way, sort of blows one's mind.


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