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California98Civic 12-11-2013 10:41 PM

Reused cans, solar "heat pump" (sort of)
 
Interesting video. He describes a lot of his materials, naming things fairly specifically.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRZvAAqzXIw

Xist 12-11-2013 11:18 PM

Very cool! The washing process, would that be the same for recycling aluminum? It sounds like a great deal of work...

justme1969 12-12-2013 08:13 AM

LOVE It
 
Good stuff. I wonder if those new 22 oz cans will work better/worse??
or budweiser aluminum bottles??

gone-ot 12-12-2013 12:03 PM

He never once mentions the "co$t" of the fan used to circulate (blow) the air through all those cans, nor the size/cfm-capacity needed of that fan.

redpoint5 12-12-2013 08:12 PM

Does anybody have rough estimates of how many watts equivalent heating each m^2 of absorbed sunlight has?

I always open the curtains on the southern windows of the house, and when the sun is shining, it makes an enormous difference. Unfortunately, the cold days in the NW are also the cloudy ones.

gone-ot 12-12-2013 09:49 PM

I recall the number:

• 10-Year Average Insolation 5.38 kWh/m^2/day for Phoenix, AZ (high = 7.70 in Jun; low = 2.75 in Dec) [source: NASA - Surface meterology and Solar Energy Data Set].

• ~ 1000 W/m^2 at earth surface, but on diurnal cycle.

redpoint5 12-12-2013 09:59 PM

Based on that, I'd give a rough estimate of 300 watts of heating power per m^2 when the sun is shining brightly, in the winter, in AZ.

I was initially excited, but I don't think there is much application in the NW. If I were in Phoenix, I'd consider it a crime to burn anything or use more than a modest amount of electricity to heat the home.

Xist 12-13-2013 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 402839)
Based on that, I'd give a rough estimate of 300 watts of heating power per m^2 when the sun is shining brightly, in the winter, in AZ.

I was initially excited, but I don't think there is much application in the NW. If I were in Phoenix, I'd consider it a crime to burn anything or use more than a modest amount of electricity to heat the home.

I do not run the heater. :)

redpoint5 12-13-2013 02:33 AM

I also consider it a crime any time I see a solar panel in Oregon. It would be better to install that panel in AZ and have the landowner send a check every month to the person that owns it. Besides, Oregon electricity is extremely clean and renewable.

Xist 12-13-2013 08:43 AM

I saw plenty of solar panels in Germany. Some barracks had them on the roofs or we drove past fields of them off-post.

The Phoenix VA has solar panel parking. I thought that it was genius and have long thought that all parking lots should have that. It would be expensive, but it would then provide shade and electricity.

They are also putting them up here at Arizona State over the walkways and some parking lots, which I imagine everyone appreciates now that it is "cold."

gone-ot 12-14-2013 11:20 PM

redpoint5 - here is solar insolation info by states (from NREL): Solar Radiation Data Manual for Flat-Plate and Concentrating Collectors

order99 12-15-2013 05:39 PM

That technology has been around for quite awhile-but I like the fact that this individual had the capital to make it a business.

I built one similar to that unit two years ago(soup cans as I don't drink soda, plywood box with a reclaimed window for the face, wrapped PVC pipe through a SIP window block and a leather 'hinge' for a one-way valve) and I have never regretted the $5 worth of high-temp gasket sealer nor the $10 block of SIP...paid for itself in savings in one month. In the summer, I run the heat feed into an all-purpose curing/dehydrating cabinet, and cure wood for walking sticks or make jerky-works a treat on bamboo fishing poles too!

Frankly,it astounds me that A) there is enough of a demand now that this innovator was able to start a business building these units, and B) that the people wise enough to buy these units aren't wise enough to manufacture their own for the cost of spare parts and elbow grease...the manufacture of Solar Thermal isn't exactly a Trade Secret, after all...:confused:

gone-ot 12-15-2013 05:48 PM

...true, but there are SOME people (who shall remain nameless) who don't know a hammer from a shoe heel, or a screwdriver from a butter knife, and have been known to donate more blood than an Ice-Hockey Player just while fumbling with the instructions (wink,wink)!

order99 12-17-2013 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Tele man (Post 403071)
...true, but there are SOME people (who shall remain nameless) who don't know a hammer from a shoe heel, or a screwdriver from a butter knife, and have been known to donate more blood than an Ice-Hockey Player just while fumbling with the instructions (wink,wink)!


I happen to resemble all of the above...and I built one. Also, paint fills in a lot of heel marks, butter knife scratches and bloodstains! :thumbup:

I suppose some people still think that Labor=Money=Labor=Product (make money to pay someone to build it) makes more sense to some than Labor=Product (build one). I guess that's Economics for you-mind you, I wish the gentleman in that video all the best at filling that niche.

darcane 12-17-2013 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Tele man (Post 402753)
He never once mentions the "co$t" of the fan used to circulate (blow) the air through all those cans, nor the size/cfm-capacity needed of that fan.

2:32
"it's pulled oot of yer house at aboot a hundred cubic feet per minute"


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