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Sleepy1 05-07-2015 03:30 PM

Scion XB Gen I Gearing Conversion: Corolla 3.722 FD
 
I wanted to share my successful transaxle swap with a 4.310 final drive ratio to a 3.722 ratio (14% Taller) in my 2005 Scion XB.

(Pics Attached in Following Posts)

Overall Impressions:
I am very happy with the conversion and see a reduction of 500rpm at 70mph. The original gearing was 3500rpm at 70mph, but is now at 3000rpm. Additionally the new 4th gear is at 3575rpms at 70mph. In essence, it feels like I’ve gained another gear. Acceleration from 1st feels much more usable since I am not shifting into 2nd halfway through an intersection. I have not calculated my difference in MPG yet. I am still on my first tank since the conversion.

Findings / Data:
The Gen I Scion XB has a Toyota C5X series transaxle that is different than the Toyota Echo’s C150. The XB’x C5X uses the larger/stronger gears like the Toyota Corolla with the 8-bolt differential. This would allow for someone to install a stock or aftermarket limited slip differential as an option. For my conversion I used a 1993 Toyota Corolla C52 Transaxle originally mated to the 1.6l 4A-FE motor. Please note that the more powerful 1.8l 7A-FE Corolla gearing is different.

2005 Scion XB Gear Ratios:
1st 3.545, 2nd 1.904, 3rd 1.310, 4th 0.969, 5th 0.815 with 4.310 Final Drive

1993-1997 North America Toyota Corolla with 1.6l 4A-FE:
1st 3.545, 2nd 1.904, 3rd 1.310, 4th 0.969, 5th 0.815 with 3.722 Final Drive

Scion Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS)
The Scion does not use a mechanical or digital VSS in the transaxle. Where a VSS would be located is blocked off with a plug. Speed is determined by the ABS.

Scion Shift Housing
The Shift Housing on the XB is different from earlier C5X series transaxles. While they look similar there are key differences. The housing cover is machined slightly different and cannot be swapped between versions, the shift rod is the same diameter / length and CAN be swapped if some of the teeth are ground off/removed to account for the ‘fingers’ and alignment mechanism. Additionally, the orientation of the shifter housing is the same as the Toyota Corolla. The Yaris and MR2 use a different orientation.

Scion XB Transaxle Mounting Points
The Scion uses mounting points similar to the Toyota Echo and earlier Tercels/Paseos. This makes the case of the Scion’s C5X transaxle unique and necessitates drilling / tapping 3 holes if using another C5X case. The factory bolts are M10 x 1.25.

My Approach:
For my conversion, I located a 1993 Corolla with a 1.6l 4A-FE at the local Pick-N-Pull autoparts yard. For $99, I was able to purchase and remove the entire transaxle. This was far cheaper than what many online companies are charging for new 3.722 gear sets. My plan was to use the Scion XB bell-housing, brackets, and shift housing innards with the Corolla Case/Gears.

The Corolla is a good swap candidate for several key reasons. There is a large selection of good transmissions to choose from at a Pick-N-Pull for cheap. I wanted to use the stock size 8-bolt differential that is stronger with good aftermarket parts availability. The shifter housing orientation is the same as the Scion XB. Most Corollas are not raced or modified, so finding a transmission that wasn’t abused isn’t hard. The Scion XB is only 110pounds more than the corolla and has more hp/torque. Lastly, I could always swap in the 0.725 5th gear from a 99-02 Corolla with the C59 transmission. This would further reduce my RPMs by 400 and make the overall transaxle gearing Taller than the 3.526 final drive with a 0.815 5th from the Toyota Echo. (I haven’t done this modification, but it is common within the MR2 forums.)

Bell Housing Swap:
There are several forum articles detailing the steps needed to swap bell housings on Toyota transaxles. For my conversion, I measured the Corolla’s differential rotation to set a baseline using an inch/pound torque wrench. Unfortunately, I do not have pictures, but I fabricated an insert that would spin the differential through the CV axle hole. I took an old 5/8in 6-point socket and trimmed off 4 points. This allowed the socket to reach down and rotate the differential using the spider-gear link pin. Referencing several articles on Toyota bell-housing swaps, I removed the bearing-race and shim from the Corolla bell housing and reinstalled it in the Scion XB bell housing. Once I bolted the Corolla transaxle together with the Scion XB bell housing, I measured the differential again and found the torque measurement to be the same and within spec. Once complete, I installed new CV axle seals from the local parts store chain.

Shift Housing Shaft Swap:
Since the housing cover and innards were not compatible between transmission Scion XB / Corolla cases, and the shift rod orientation where the shifter cable attaches is different, I swapped out the housing shaft and used the rest of the Corolla components. To complete this, I had to grind off 1 tooth from the shift rod to allow the Corolla components to fit. I reused all the Scion XB shifter cables and brackets.

Drilling / Tapping Corolla transaxle to install drivers-side mount:
The mounting of the Scion XB mount is very similar to the Tercel/Paseo. Fortunately, installing the Corolla transaxle in a Tercel is a very well documented procedure on one of the Tercel forums. The Corolla transaxle has the appropriate mounting boss and case reinforcements to support these holes, but they are not machined from the factory. For my install I mounted the transaxle onto an engine stand and used a cordless drill. Once drilled, I tapped the holes and installed the mount.

Alternative:
You could always just have a shop swap out the 3.722 final drive into your stock Scion XB case. (If you can find a shop willing to do this.) However, the costs to tear down and properly assemble the transmission are much-much more than my $99 dollar investment.

Conclusion:
I hope this article was interesting to those that would consider this swap. For me, this swap was very worthwhile and I bought my Scion XB with a worn clutch knowing I wanted to figure out a way to complete a gearing swap. While this is more complex than a bolt-in swap, I was able to complete this over a weekend at home. Please note, I am a car enthusiast and not a professional mechanic. This write-up was for informational purposes only. Modifying my cars at home in my garage is my passion and not my profession.

user removed 05-07-2015 03:35 PM

Really neat that they dumped the speed sensor and used the abs sensor. One system eliminated, less crap to break.

regards
mech

Sleepy1 05-07-2015 03:38 PM

Yes. What is funny is that the Scion XB differential still had the worm gear on the differential to drive a VSS if required.

NeilBlanchard 05-07-2015 10:09 PM

Excellent work! As I mentioned before, if my clutch had ever worn out on my xA, I would have considered this seriously. But I could not have done it myself, so it would have been a seriously expensive swap.

Please keep us up on how it helps your fuel economy.

aardvarcus 05-08-2015 06:41 AM

Awesome! Excellent work, and thank you for contributing the writeup. If you had any in-process pictures to add that would be great.

user removed 05-08-2015 07:32 AM

That would be a very nice mod for an echo.

regards
mech

fusion210 05-08-2015 08:29 AM

Nice work! I've bought half a dozen transmissions from junkyard without a problem. You can't beat $100.

Sleepy1 05-08-2015 09:42 AM

Pic of my Scion 1 week after I brought it home.
2005 Scion XB
I already knew at this point that I was going to change the gearing... clutch was about totally gone and it needed tires asap.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320...538/i3maOT.jpg

Picture of the Donor Corolla at Pick-N-Pull

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320...673/5v2fpD.jpg

Sleepy1 05-08-2015 09:46 AM

Corolla trans on the right. Scion XB trans on the left.
Notice that the VSS hole is plugged on the Scion.

Orientation of the shift rod housing is the same. The Bell housings are different.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320...537/A6VTsc.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320...912/pNNDXQ.jpg

Notice the orientation of the shift rod is different between the two. This is why I swapped the shift rod out.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320...673/Cku1f7.jpg

elhigh 05-08-2015 09:47 AM

Man, that's gotta be a buzzy little box at 70mph. And it's built like a toaster, if you can stand to do it slowing down has got to be of some benefit to your mileage.

The addition of the taller OD for fifth on top of your taller final drive looks like one hell of a swap.

Heh. I just realized that's a variation of the engine in the first-gen Prius. Imagine a Prius drivetrain in your XBox, that'd be fun.

Sleepy1 05-08-2015 09:51 AM

Comparison of the shift rod and components.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...673/JlG4kS.jpg

Closeup of the bolt that retains the shift rod in the correct orientation within the shifter housing. This difference between the Corolla (Left) and Scion necessitates the swapping of the shift rod components.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...661/MlAQSZ.jpg

Picture of the tooth I removed on the Scion Shift Rod to allow me to install all the Corolla shift housing components.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...911/SC2Ttd.jpg

Sleepy1 05-08-2015 09:55 AM

Picture of Corolla Case / Scion Bell housing with the case drilled out for the three bolts. I didn't take any pictures of this process, but I did use a cordless drill and had a helper align the drill to make sure I drilled in straight.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...540/1SboIs.jpg

Sleepy1 05-08-2015 10:00 AM

More Transaxle Internal Pics

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...909/UnKxeG.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...540/EDIJFt.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...907/TiVLyn.jpg

Sleepy1 05-23-2015 11:06 AM

Update:

I have logged 4800 miles on the Scion since the conversion (Mixed driving and one drive across country). It's very easy to get 40+mpg if I hold my freeway speed constant at 61mph. Averaging 70mph is about 37mpg. Mixed driving for me yields 42-43mpg. All of these are through my calibrated scanguage and a complete tank of gas.

My best two tanks are 47.8 and 46.5mpg so far. Speeds were kept under 55 on back roads around my home. I try to glide when I can, and kill the motor at long stop lights.

Still considering doing the taller 5th mod, but that will be later this summer.

All in all, I am very happy with the swap and haven't had any issues. I am not at the mpg level as many folks here, but with the great tips/tricks I have learned... my mpgs have only gotten better and better.

On a different note, the Scion pulls my small utility trailer great. No problems going up hills loaded with a riding mower and misc supplies from home depot.

turbothrush 05-23-2015 12:44 PM

Thanks for posting all this.. Great detail. I for one hope you do the 5th gear swap and post it here as well.

kenmack 05-31-2017 07:46 PM

Wow!
First search and I found exactly what I am looking for. This thread is only a couple of years old, but the photos are missing links. Does anyone still on here have any access to the fine details to this mod?

I'm in need of a new tranny for my XA, as my 4th gear has been non existent, and 3rd is quickly dying. I also have a blown oil seal in the pass. side input shaft.

Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks;
Ken

Daox 06-01-2017 08:35 AM

You may want to check out my thread here where I detail out the plans I have for my Tercel. The C15X and C5X transmissions will both bolt up to the bellhousing of your xA, so you have a lot of choices. My plan was to use a C52 from an old Corolla along with the automatic differential gearing from a Paseo or 4 speed auto Tercel. This would give quite tall gearing and give something like 1350 rpm at 45 mph.

kenmack 06-01-2017 10:27 AM

Yes. I came across you thread late last light. I was up until 3am reading, cross referencing, following links.... This is great info. Thank you.

Now. On any of these threads, there is zero mention of drive shafts. The assumption is that once you swap bellhousings, everthing else falls into place. Is this true? So far I can't find anything to confirm this.

Daox 06-01-2017 10:45 AM

With the xA you might actually not even need to swap bellhousings since yours comes with a C5X transmission, right? If its a C15X then you'd need to swap them.

If you do need to swap the bellhousing, here is a procedure written up for Tercels: http://board.tercelonline.com/viewthread.php?tid=42739

You'll just reuse your stock drive shafts.

koakamaka 07-17-2018 05:59 PM

Awesome & inspiring post! I really wanna do this! Please keep updating!

redpoint5 07-17-2018 07:12 PM

Kill-it-with-fire.

razorrust 07-27-2020 12:53 PM

I am going to attempt this. I am also going to swap the .815 5th gear set for the .725 gear set.

The pictures in this thread are no longer working. Do you still have the pictures?

Are you sure its possible to swap the final gear set in the scion transmission for the 93 - 97 corolla 1.6L final gear set? I may go this route instead and replace the synchronizers while im in the scion transmission.

Thanks for the help!


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