Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > General Efficiency Discussion
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 10-15-2019, 01:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
Administrator
 
Daox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Germantown, WI
Posts: 11,203

CM400E - '81 Honda CM400E
90 day: 51.49 mpg (US)

Daox's Grey Prius - '04 Toyota Prius
Team Toyota
90 day: 49.53 mpg (US)

Daox's Insight - '00 Honda Insight
90 day: 64.33 mpg (US)

Swarthy - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage DE
Mitsubishi
90 day: 56.69 mpg (US)

Daox's Volt - '13 Chevrolet Volt
Thanks: 2,501
Thanked 2,585 Times in 1,553 Posts
2013 C-Max energi for new car?

If it's not too apparent, I've been keeping my eye out for a newer car. The 2004 Prius hasn't given us any real trouble, but it is 15 years old and there are lots of neat newer EVs and hybrids to choose from. Today's find is a reasonably priced 2013 Ford C-Max Energi.





https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/cto...997870001.html

Any info you guys know what to look for on this car when buying used? Seems like a nice step from the 04 Prius.

Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	00p0p_40k8JZXOWGl_1200x900.jpg
Views:	280
Size:	98.9 KB
ID:	27005  
__________________
Current project: A better alternator delete

Last edited by MetroMPG; 10-17-2019 at 01:54 PM.. Reason: (added big pic inline)
  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 10-15-2019, 01:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
Human Environmentalist
 
redpoint5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 12,364

Acura TSX - '06 Acura TSX
90 day: 24.19 mpg (US)

Lafawnda - '01 Honda CBR600 F4i
90 day: 47.32 mpg (US)

Big Yeller - '98 Dodge Ram 2500 base
90 day: 21.82 mpg (US)

Prius Plug-in - '12 Toyota Prius Plug-in
90 day: 57.64 mpg (US)

Mazda CX-5 - '17 Mazda CX-5 Touring
90 day: 26.68 mpg (US)

Chevy ZR-2 - '03 Chevrolet S10 ZR2
90 day: 17.14 mpg (US)
Thanks: 4,169
Thanked 4,372 Times in 3,347 Posts
Little high miles for that new of a car, but the price looks great. Can you find out what percent of those miles were EV?

I'm a big fan of the C-max, and it has the same design as the Prius as far as implementation of the ICE and motors goes. It's a bit more peppy than the Prius, and has a longer EV range than the original plug-in Prius.

Not sure if the PIDs are known to get battery voltages and resistance like they are in the Prius, but you could potentially examine bank voltages and resistance using Torque Pro and an ELM237 device. Test that the included EVSE works and the car accepts a charge.

Other than that, the normal car inspection things apply. Leaks, uneven/abnormal wear, test all functions, take it for a test drive.

I'd be tempted to snatch that one up.

...oh, I think it has an active grill shutter too. Not sure how to test that, but I assume it's normally open. My guess is upon a cold start, the shutters would close if working properly.
__________________
Gas and Electric Vehicle Cost of Ownership Calculator







Give me absolute safety, or give me death!
  Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to redpoint5 For This Useful Post:
Daox (10-15-2019), MetroMPG (10-17-2019), Xist (10-20-2019)
Old 10-17-2019, 01:56 PM   #3 (permalink)
Batman Junior
 
MetroMPG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 22,513

Blackfly - '98 Geo Metro
Team Metro
Last 3: 70.09 mpg (US)

MPGiata - '90 Mazda Miata
90 day: 52.71 mpg (US)

Even Fancier Metro - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage top spec
90 day: 70.75 mpg (US)

Appliance car - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage ES (base)
90 day: 60.16 mpg (US)
Thanks: 4,058
Thanked 6,957 Times in 3,602 Posts
Do eet!


It's well used, but this car seems to tick all your checkboxes.



I notice from the pics that the right front fender paint doesn't quite match.
__________________
Project MPGiata! Mods for getting 50+ MPG from a 1990 Miata
Honda mods: Ecomodding my $800 Honda Fit 5-speed beater
Mitsu mods: 70 MPG in my ecomodded, dirt cheap, 3-cylinder Mirage.
Ecodriving test: Manual vs. automatic transmission MPG showdown



EcoModder
has launched a forum for the efficient new Mitsubishi Mirage
www.MetroMPG.com - fuel efficiency info for Geo Metro owners
www.ForkenSwift.com - electric car conversion on a beer budget
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to MetroMPG For This Useful Post:
Xist (10-20-2019)
Old 10-17-2019, 02:27 PM   #4 (permalink)
Human Environmentalist
 
redpoint5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 12,364

Acura TSX - '06 Acura TSX
90 day: 24.19 mpg (US)

Lafawnda - '01 Honda CBR600 F4i
90 day: 47.32 mpg (US)

Big Yeller - '98 Dodge Ram 2500 base
90 day: 21.82 mpg (US)

Prius Plug-in - '12 Toyota Prius Plug-in
90 day: 57.64 mpg (US)

Mazda CX-5 - '17 Mazda CX-5 Touring
90 day: 26.68 mpg (US)

Chevy ZR-2 - '03 Chevrolet S10 ZR2
90 day: 17.14 mpg (US)
Thanks: 4,169
Thanked 4,372 Times in 3,347 Posts
All 4 fenders are rusting, so probably need to treat them to halt the deterioration.

I take for granted the lack of rust here where they don't salt the roads.

Another thing I think I prefer is the 12v battery is located in the rear inside the cabin, under the floor. This makes experimenting with alternative batteries more feasible since theoretically the temperatures are better controlled. Probably not possible to keep it from freezing in WI winters though.
__________________
Gas and Electric Vehicle Cost of Ownership Calculator







Give me absolute safety, or give me death!
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2019, 10:57 PM   #5 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Ecky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 5,004

ND Miata - '15 Mazda MX-5 Special Package
90 day: 42.54 mpg (US)
Thanks: 2,865
Thanked 2,499 Times in 1,546 Posts
Rust like that scares me. Were it not for the visible rust, I'd give it two thumbs up, but Vermont state inspections are pretty strict and once you start getting holes in the car, you need them repaired or it's taken off the road, and that can quickly get expensive. Plus I can only imagine how fun it will be to work on stuff like suspension components.
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Ecky For This Useful Post:
Xist (10-20-2019)
Old 10-24-2019, 01:54 AM   #6 (permalink)
EcoModding Lurker
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Ga
Posts: 62
Thanks: 1
Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts
If available, check the service history.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2019, 08:52 AM   #7 (permalink)
Administrator
 
Daox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Germantown, WI
Posts: 11,203

CM400E - '81 Honda CM400E
90 day: 51.49 mpg (US)

Daox's Grey Prius - '04 Toyota Prius
Team Toyota
90 day: 49.53 mpg (US)

Daox's Insight - '00 Honda Insight
90 day: 64.33 mpg (US)

Swarthy - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage DE
Mitsubishi
90 day: 56.69 mpg (US)

Daox's Volt - '13 Chevrolet Volt
Thanks: 2,501
Thanked 2,585 Times in 1,553 Posts
The car is no longer listed for sale. I never had time to go look at it.
__________________
Current project: A better alternator delete
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2019, 09:01 AM   #8 (permalink)
Batman Junior
 
MetroMPG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 22,513

Blackfly - '98 Geo Metro
Team Metro
Last 3: 70.09 mpg (US)

MPGiata - '90 Mazda Miata
90 day: 52.71 mpg (US)

Even Fancier Metro - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage top spec
90 day: 70.75 mpg (US)

Appliance car - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage ES (base)
90 day: 60.16 mpg (US)
Thanks: 4,058
Thanked 6,957 Times in 3,602 Posts
I forget - is that the first PHEV that's popped up in your area and price range?



Knowing your fleet and how you use it, seems like a PHEV would be a good fit for you. Replace the Prius with a PHEV and you have both EV for local errands, and you also have a comfortable highway car.
__________________
Project MPGiata! Mods for getting 50+ MPG from a 1990 Miata
Honda mods: Ecomodding my $800 Honda Fit 5-speed beater
Mitsu mods: 70 MPG in my ecomodded, dirt cheap, 3-cylinder Mirage.
Ecodriving test: Manual vs. automatic transmission MPG showdown



EcoModder
has launched a forum for the efficient new Mitsubishi Mirage
www.MetroMPG.com - fuel efficiency info for Geo Metro owners
www.ForkenSwift.com - electric car conversion on a beer budget
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2019, 11:03 AM   #9 (permalink)
Administrator
 
Daox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Germantown, WI
Posts: 11,203

CM400E - '81 Honda CM400E
90 day: 51.49 mpg (US)

Daox's Grey Prius - '04 Toyota Prius
Team Toyota
90 day: 49.53 mpg (US)

Daox's Insight - '00 Honda Insight
90 day: 64.33 mpg (US)

Swarthy - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage DE
Mitsubishi
90 day: 56.69 mpg (US)

Daox's Volt - '13 Chevrolet Volt
Thanks: 2,501
Thanked 2,585 Times in 1,553 Posts
I think so. I have seen many Volts for sale, but they have a higher price tag and IMO don't have the utility of the Cmax. I load up the Prius packed to the gills usually 2x per week for my business. I would rather not downsize to the Volt at the moment.
__________________
Current project: A better alternator delete
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2019, 11:27 AM   #10 (permalink)
Batman Junior
 
MetroMPG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 22,513

Blackfly - '98 Geo Metro
Team Metro
Last 3: 70.09 mpg (US)

MPGiata - '90 Mazda Miata
90 day: 52.71 mpg (US)

Even Fancier Metro - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage top spec
90 day: 70.75 mpg (US)

Appliance car - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage ES (base)
90 day: 60.16 mpg (US)
Thanks: 4,058
Thanked 6,957 Times in 3,602 Posts
Volt + utility trailer!


Think outside of the more-aerodynamic-than-a-Cmax-box:

Thread: How much can a nissan leaf tow? Feats of towing might!

__________________
Project MPGiata! Mods for getting 50+ MPG from a 1990 Miata
Honda mods: Ecomodding my $800 Honda Fit 5-speed beater
Mitsu mods: 70 MPG in my ecomodded, dirt cheap, 3-cylinder Mirage.
Ecodriving test: Manual vs. automatic transmission MPG showdown



EcoModder
has launched a forum for the efficient new Mitsubishi Mirage
www.MetroMPG.com - fuel efficiency info for Geo Metro owners
www.ForkenSwift.com - electric car conversion on a beer budget
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread


Thread Tools




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com