Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > EcoModding Central
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 10-09-2008, 07:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
EcoModding Lurker
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Northern California
Posts: 69
Thanks: 18
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
'92 Ranger, 2.3, 5-speed-4th or 5th for FE?

I was wondering about this: my Ranger feels like it's lugging too much in 5th below 60 mph. I don't want to drive that fast, especially in a headwind. I make back road trips where there's little traffic and so I can slow down as much as I want. There are times on these trips where I could slow down to 35 to 45 mph if I wanted, without getting in anyone's way.
Could I get better FE in 4th gear at these speeds rather than at a higher speed in 5th?
Ray Mac.

  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 10-09-2008, 08:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
EcoModding Lurker
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Speedway, Indiana USA
Posts: 56
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Lugging is actually good for fuel economy because you're running higher throttle opening and lowering pumping loss.
My bet is that 5th is significantly better for cruising.

If you can't borrow a scangauge to confirm, and you have a consistent driving pattern, try a tankfull with 5th, then one with 4th, then one with 5th and one with 4th. If one gear is clearly better, that should show it.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2008, 08:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
Pokémoderator
 
cfg83's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Southern California
Posts: 5,864

1999 Saturn SW2 - '99 Saturn SW2 Wagon
Team Saturn
90 day: 40.49 mpg (US)
Thanks: 439
Thanked 530 Times in 356 Posts
fud2468 -

In my car, my 5th gear "lugline" is at about 25 MPH on the flat. I have no lug-effect at 60 MPH on the flat, but my ability to accelerate is glacial-slow. When you say "5th below 60 mph", are you going uphill?

Hmmmm. I quess a headwind could "approximate" an uphill. If I am going up a hill that is only "kind of" steep, I sometimes need to downshift to 4th because I have lost too much speed. It depends on the context. I only use my 4th gear for freeway onramp acceleration, getting over "too steep" hills, and emergency maneuvering.

Also, a 1992 Ranger would have a bigger aero-penalty than me.

CarloSW2
__________________

What's your EPA MPG? Go Here and find out!
American Solar Energy Society
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2008, 08:53 AM   #4 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Tallmadge, OH
Posts: 313
Thanks: 6
Thanked 26 Times in 21 Posts
Something is wrong.

I had the same truck--in Mazda trim. If you are lugging in 5th, and over 45mph, I'd guess that you have some other problem. You might check brakes dragging, timing and tune up stuff in general, and tire inflation. With everything working properly, I can guarantee better highway FE in 5th rather than in 4th.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2008, 09:03 AM   #5 (permalink)
Administrator
 
Daox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Germantown, WI
Posts: 11,203

CM400E - '81 Honda CM400E
90 day: 51.49 mpg (US)

Daox's Grey Prius - '04 Toyota Prius
Team Toyota
90 day: 49.53 mpg (US)

Daox's Insight - '00 Honda Insight
90 day: 64.33 mpg (US)

Swarthy - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage DE
Mitsubishi
90 day: 56.69 mpg (US)

Daox's Volt - '13 Chevrolet Volt
Thanks: 2,501
Thanked 2,585 Times in 1,553 Posts
The guys are right on. There is really no such thing as 'working an engine too hard'. A larger throttle opening nearly always improves engine efficiency. 5th gear is your friend.
__________________
Current project: A better alternator delete
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2008, 06:22 PM   #6 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Big Dave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Steppes of Central Indiana
Posts: 1,319

The Red Baron - '00 Ford F-350 XLT
90 day: 27.99 mpg (US)

Impala Phase Zero - '96 Chevrolet Impala SS
90 day: 21.03 mpg (US)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 186 Times in 127 Posts
I'm with everyone else. Use fifth. If you need to accelerate stab the clutch and yank the lever.

My diesel runs well at incredibly low RPM in sixth.
__________________
2000 Ford F-350 SC 4x2 6 Speed Manual
4" Slam
3.08:1 gears and Gear Vendor Overdrive
Rubber Conveyor Belt Air Dam
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2008, 09:08 PM   #7 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
bhazard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Toledo, OH
Posts: 500

2012 Golf TDI - '12 Volkswagen Golf TDI
TEAM VW AUDI Group
90 day: 45.51 mpg (US)
Thanks: 6
Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts
In my experience with 2.3's (My tbird and my dads ranger) they do not like low rpms at all. However Ive not seen any problem using fifth gear over, say, 40-45 mph. Anything under 1500 rpms and it lugs so bad itll rattle the fillings out of your rotten hillbilly teeth. This cant be good for the engine itself, whatever gains in mpg are probably offset in turning your main bearings to dust.

My festiva however has no problem running fifth at 1000 rpms/25 mph. If I could just cruise a whole tank of gas at 25 mph and see what mpg I get...
__________________
'05 Outback XT, 19 mpg

BP-turbo 93 Festiva (long gone)
1/4 mile - 12.50@111.5
Best MPG - 36.8
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2008, 09:48 PM   #8 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
lovemysan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: kansas city, mo
Posts: 140

gutless wonder - '02 Saturn sl sohc
90 day: 40.17 mpg (US)

econoburban - '05 chevy surburban 2wd LT
90 day: 19.43 mpg (US)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by bhazard View Post
In my experience with 2.3's (My tbird and my dads ranger) they do not like low rpms at all. However Ive not seen any problem using fifth gear over, say, 40-45 mph. Anything under 1500 rpms and it lugs so bad itll rattle the fillings out of your rotten hillbilly teeth. This cant be good for the engine itself, whatever gains in mpg are probably offset in turning your main bearings to dust.

My festiva however has no problem running fifth at 1000 rpms/25 mph. If I could just cruise a whole tank of gas at 25 mph and see what mpg I get...
He's right, its not pleasant to drive ranger under 35 mph in 5th. I've put many miles on my dads 1990 2.3/5spd. There is 4 miles of 25 mph park to get to there house. I always find myself pulsing between 25-35mph. Any small incline defeats it. It might be a good vehicle to try P & G. My opinion on lugging is simple. If it feels bad, it probably is!

__________________
2002 Saturn SL
sohc + 5spd = 50mpg
mod pics see link below

http://s75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...emysan/saturn/

Real men have wheel skirts.


  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread




Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Saturn S-Series 5th Gear Swap cfg83 EcoModding Central 61 05-02-2012 09:31 PM
Sweet speed: ford ranger? greenitup Hypermiling / EcoDriver's Ed 1 07-04-2008 08:08 PM



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com