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MetroMPG 04-13-2014 10:40 PM

sign of the times
 
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Spotted in my neighbourhood yesterday...
http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...1&d=1397443206

UltArc 04-13-2014 10:56 PM

I'm shakin' in my EcoBoots...

cbaber 04-14-2014 12:40 AM

They go though the trouble of putting a huge window sticker on the car, only to spell it wrong. "VTEC"

redpoint5 04-14-2014 01:43 PM

I would think this is more of a Honda vs Ford thing, or a Japanese vs Domestic thing, or a VTEC vs turbo thing, than a power vs economy thing. After all, the Civic Si still gets pretty good fuel economy compared to the average car.

user removed 04-14-2014 02:10 PM

28 highway for an 04 SI, geez I could do that in my old Riviera, and try to keep from falling asleep :cool:.

If Honda made a simple ISDI engine two door with manual everything and a tall geared 6 speed, say 2k revs at 60 or better.

regards
Mech

MetroMPG 04-14-2014 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 420089)
I would think this is more of a Honda vs Ford thing, or a Japanese vs Domestic thing, or a VTEC vs turbo thing, than a power vs economy thing.

Except that Ford brands it as a "economy AND power" thing. I just couldn't help but think that some people probably snicker at the "eco" part of "ecoboost".

I suppose if I'd spotted something like this it probably would have been funnier... :D

http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...1&d=1397502358

Xist 04-14-2014 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cbaber (Post 420042)
They go though the trouble of putting a huge window sticker on the car, only to spell it wrong. "VTEC"

This seems to have been quoted eighty-two times, but this is the oldest one that shows up:

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VTEC is NOT "V-tec", "V-TEC", "V-tech", "V-TECH", "VTECH", "V-TEK", "vtech", "vtec", "vortech", "Vtec", or "Vtech". It's CAPITAL VTEC. No dashes, no lower case, no extra letters, no anything other than the correct and only spelling of VTEC. If you cannot respect the technology and simply use the correct spelling, you do not deserve what it gives you.
I remember a rant a very long time ago about people putting VTEC (or some variation thereof) decals on their cars, as well as "Type R" and "Spyder"

I doubt that anyone has ever installed one of these in their cars:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attac...3&d=1185739131

Or a cheap cordless phone, although it would be easier than an engine swap.

Spyder is interesting. "So, you are saying that this car is a convertible?"

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Originally Posted by Old Tele man
Maybe "Sign of the Times" ought to be changed to "Sign of the Idjiots"?

Time of the Idiots?

"And now, children, we have come to the Time of the Idiots. This particular specimen went by the name Justin Beiber. I am sorry, which of you now require therapy?"

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 04-15-2014 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 420089)
I would think this is more of a Honda vs Ford thing, or a Japanese vs Domestic thing, or a VTEC vs turbo thing, than a power vs economy thing.

The VTEC vs. turbo thing seems to be the case. Many ricers with their K24 (often stroked to 2.6L or 2.7L) engines claim to get around 400hp without forced induction...

darcane 04-15-2014 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 420098)
Except that Ford brands it as a "economy AND power" thing. I just couldn't help but think that some people probably snicker at the "eco" part of "ecoboost".

Regardless of marketing, VTEC really only exists for fuel economy.

The same peak power can be made by just using the high cam profile at all times, rather than just at certain RPMs. VTEC simply allows an economical cam profile at low RPMs and high profile at high RPMs

The ricer kids don't like it when you point that out though...

darcane 04-15-2014 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Xist (Post 420139)
This seems to have been quoted eighty-two times, but this is the oldest one that shows up:

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VTEC is NOT "V-tec", "V-TEC", "V-tech", "V-TECH", "VTECH", "V-TEK", "vtech", "vtec", "vortech", "Vtec", or "Vtech". It's CAPITAL VTEC. No dashes, no lower case, no extra letters, no anything other than the correct and only spelling of VTEC. If you cannot respect the technology and simply use the correct spelling, you do not deserve what it gives you.

My VTEC has a dash AND an extra letter...

VTEC-E :thumbup:

Cobb 04-15-2014 06:07 PM

Mines is an i-VTEC with i-Dsi. :eek:

Love the prius, shame its only true for stop n go driving. :D

pgfpro 04-15-2014 06:14 PM

Back when I was a teenager late 70's early 80's there was a bunch of useless phrases when describing performance parts.

1/4 race cam
1/2 race cam
3/4 race cam
and of course full race cam
double pumper
power pack heads
camel hump heads
max wedge heads
magnum heads
1.94 heads
2.02 heads
rec port heads
oval heads
angle plug heads
roller cam when all they had was roller rockers
pop up pistons
hi po rods
hi po crank
race fuel
race gears
ported and polished
etc...

But my all time favorite was the "Balanced and Blue Printed Engine". Every kid in town had a "Balanced and Blue Printed Engine"

screaming_bmwe30 04-15-2014 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by darcane (Post 420269)
Regardless of marketing, VTEC really only exists for fuel economy.

The same peak power can be made by just using the high cam profile at all times, rather than just at certain RPMs. VTEC simply allows an economical cam profile at low RPMs and high profile at high RPMs

The ricer kids don't like it when you point that out though...

Not completely true. Running the aggressive lift/overlap cam at low revs would lower torque in that "below VTEC range" region...and also make the volumetric efficiency poor, thereby also decreasing FE. The only performance reason to remove VTEC switchover is if you are racing and are always going to be in the torque sweet spot or above on the "high lift" cam. High hp fast revving motors have also been known to have VTEC crossover issues because the oil pressures can not switch the cam fast enough causing wear to the valvetrain . BMW and basically every manufacturer has their version of variable valve lift or timing, and its usually a low rpm/high rpm performance benefit, with a FE benefit being an equally important effect.

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 04-16-2014 12:40 AM

VTEC, VVT-i, Double VANOS, Ti-VCT, doesn't matter how each manufacturer calls it, the problem is all about the ricers :turtle:

Cobb 04-16-2014 05:40 PM

Dont forget single and double. Many cars that have some form of valve timing only have it on the intake.

The machine shop I worked in the early 90s when in high school was all about stroking. :eek: The owner had a technique for grinding the inner surface of the rod journals and decking pistons making it an interference engine.

You could have one nice sleeper with a plain jane looking outside.

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 04-16-2014 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobb (Post 420453)
Dont forget single and double. Many cars that have some form of valve timing only have it on the intake.

I used to think every VVT system worked for both intake and exhaust (which would actually make more sense), until Toyota released the Dual VVT-i engine in the local version of the Corolla fitted with a 2.0L engine...

Cobb 04-17-2014 07:42 PM

Yeah, toy recently released the dual vvt engine in the scion xd/carolla and man, thats way nicer than just vvt on the intake side.

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 04-18-2014 08:30 AM

I gotta admit that I never really cared so much about VVT.

Cobb 04-18-2014 07:41 PM

Good point, wished the auto industry felt the same. The valve technology allows the broader power band. Instead the engine should be designed to run low at the higher power output at a fix rpm and a cvt should be used to get the car moving.

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Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr (Post 420714)
I gotta admit that I never really cared so much about VVT.


War_Wagon 04-21-2014 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pgfpro (Post 420278)
Back when I was a teenager late 70's early 80's there was a bunch of useless phrases when describing performance parts.

1/4 race cam
1/2 race cam
3/4 race cam
and of course full race cam
double pumper
power pack heads
camel hump heads
max wedge heads
magnum heads
1.94 heads
2.02 heads
rec port heads
oval heads
angle plug heads
roller cam when all they had was roller rockers
pop up pistons
hi po rods
hi po crank
race fuel
race gears
ported and polished
etc...

But my all time favorite was the "Balanced and Blue Printed Engine". Every kid in town had a "Balanced and Blue Printed Engine"

You forgot the one thing that every car with a V8 in my high school parking lot had (according to the owner anyway) - a 4 bolt main! Good thing too, those bone stock 200 hp 350s wouldn't live with just a 2 bolt block after all ha ha :snail:


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