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mans 05-06-2012 03:14 PM

Simple but very promising ecomod. will it work?
 
The 4 cylinder engine in my car currently allows it to average like 29 mpg city/hwy. engine produces 125 hp.

So I thought to myself, it shouldn't be too difficult to knock out 2 cylinders:

disconnect (#1)FUEL INJECTOR ELECTRICAL CONNECTOR and remove (#2)SPARK PLUG from #2 and #4 cylinders.
open valve cover and remove (#3)valve TAPPETS from #2 and #4 cylinders so the flow inside the intake manifold won't be disturbed.

we now have a 2 cylinder engine that should give about 60 hp...enough to drive anywhere. the o2 sensor should continue to measure out the fuel as necessary to the #1 and #3 cylinders as everything is all the same, there is just less of it. I don't believe the computer can detect how much flow there is in the exhaust pipe, it can only detect how rich or lean it is.

we will need to adjust the idle cuz the factory idle will now be a little high for only 2 cylinders.

simply unplugging fuel injector clips makes the car run lousy, but I think that is due to: 1. not removing the spark plugs, and 2. not having romoved the valve tappets on the necessary cylinder. if those valves continue to open and close, the engine wouldn't be able to run well on the other cylinders . (correct???)


good idea???
will it work???
I should be able to get around on half the fuel !! car is a manual trans too!

Frank Lee 05-06-2012 03:24 PM

Fer cripes sakes, we gots tons of threads on this and pulling the plugs is a big no no.

mans 05-06-2012 04:22 PM

found this http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...n-14526-7.html

does not look easy :-(

drmiller100 05-06-2012 05:40 PM

try it.

i think i'd leave the spark plugs attached and hooked up. the spark wants to go SOMEWHERE, and if you don't give it an easy path, it will do something not nice inside the coil/distributor.
Optionally, ground the ends of the plug wires to metal on the engine.

With the valves disabled, it should work. i'll be curious to see your results!

pete c 05-06-2012 06:59 PM

what type of valve actuation do you have?

If you have rockers with screw adjusters, it's pretty simple to adjust them so they don't open. If you have a shim over bucket setup, just remove the shims and buckets. It is a bit more work though.

This will leave you with a full time 2 cylinder. Probably is a good idea to leave the plugs hooked up, although I don't know if there would be a problem with all those electrons piling up in the wires.

I wonder how rough it would run?

Grant-53 05-06-2012 10:47 PM

Vibrates like hell. Keep the 4 cyl. and and cut the rpms to half peak power or near peak torque. Work on the aero mods and driving techniques.

euromodder 05-07-2012 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mans (Post 305542)
does not look easy :-(

Doing it right makes it a lot more complicated.

But the idea works, as VW (and Audi) have an engine that will shut down 2 cylinders when it doesn't need their power.

mans 05-07-2012 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by euromodder (Post 305748)
Doing it right makes it a lot more complicated.

But the idea works, as VW (and Audi) have an engine that will shut down 2 cylinders when it doesn't need their power.

"doing it right"
can anyone say exactly HOW to "DO IT RIGHT"?

bandit86 05-07-2012 06:11 PM

I did this on my land rover discovey, 3.9lv8 engin. With 2 cylinders deactivated I (driving sensibly) I saw no difference in FE or pOwer. With 4 cylinders I saw a big jump in FE but the truck was dangerously slow and gutless. I don't remember my numbers but something like 30% better FE on highway. If I were to do it again I would have th fuel injectors on toggle switched and only switch hem off at speed. From a standstill I barely made it up a hill

Having said that I eventually started shifting the auto tranny for every gear and it became better. With a manual tranny it would be no problem.

Don't jump outany two cylinders, make sure they're even on your firing order. Say for 1-3-4-2 jump out 1&3 to keep th firing somewhat balanced.

Don worry about disconnedting the spark plugs, they don't do a thing.

Frank Lee 05-07-2012 07:10 PM

Quote:

With 4 cylinders I saw a big jump in FE but the truck was dangerously slow and gutless. I don't remember my numbers but something like 30% better FE on highway. If I were to do it again I would have th fuel injectors on toggle switched and only switch hem off at speed.
I don't believe that for a second. Unless there's something special about your engine, we haven't found any econo benefit from shutting injectors off.

bandit86 05-07-2012 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Lee (Post 305775)
I don't believe that for a second. Unless there's something special about your engine, we haven't found any econo benefit from shutting injectors off.

Got a scan gauge? Plug it in, disconnect some injectors, go for a drive and post your results

Frank Lee 05-07-2012 08:40 PM

I don't have one. Wouldn't having disabled injectors mess up it's reading?

Again, this hasn't been proven to work.

drmiller100 05-07-2012 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Lee (Post 305775)
I don't believe that for a second. Unless there's something special about your engine, we haven't found any econo benefit from shutting injectors off.

You personally tested it?

How did you test it? Did you use a scan gauge? What kind of vehicle?

Frank Lee 05-07-2012 10:02 PM

I did try it on a Tempo. I did not find any benefit. Use the search function to see what others have posted.

drmiller100 05-08-2012 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Lee (Post 305808)
I did try it on a Tempo. I did not find any benefit. Use the search function to see what others have posted.

what year tempo? which engine? did u disable the valves? How did u do that?

did you post your results on this list and your testing methodology?

Big Dave 05-08-2012 10:52 AM

How do you balance this thing? It will shake itself to bits.

chrisgerman1983 05-08-2012 01:55 PM

What is the main problem to doing this... I am asking out of lack of mechanical knowledge :) .... if it is compression and the pistons not being pushed back up in turn creating drag? Could you have a air tank to really introduce compression? It would take a large tank and would only work for short drives but in theory would it work? Just thinking out loud mostly.... I am also on my phone so searching is not easy ;)

chrisgerman1983 05-08-2012 01:58 PM

Dont know where "really" came from? Damn autocorrect...

euromodder 05-08-2012 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mans (Post 305763)
"doing it right"
can anyone say exactly HOW to "DO IT RIGHT"?

VW are closing the valves and shutting off the injectors at low load.


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