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westb87 05-08-2018 07:19 AM

Sleek WILL break 40mpg!
 
I just filled up this morning and I've gone from my first tank average of 33mpg to my new highest average of 38.5mpg! I've been suspecting my SGII was off and that's why I was seeing my feedback on the unit so low...for example, it was telling me that I was averaging 32-35mpg cruising at 45mph...lol. The SGII (this is the second fillup) was off by over 50%! It thought I had munched through 20.99 gallons of gas in my little Civic that has a 12.3 gallon gas tank. :turtle:

I'm going to break that 40 mark guys, I promise. I still haven't removed the mudflaps or done any grille blocking. I've got a family vacation to San Antonio coming up in the next few weeks, so it may be a while before I get around to throwing my eco-mods on the car. My plan though, is to remove side mirrors (keeping the interior rear view is legal in Alabama), remove mudflaps, block upper grille, block 50% of lower grille, lawn edging air dam, and an aluminum sheeting underbelly pan. As I progress, I'll keep everyone up to date!

mpg_numbers_guy 05-08-2018 09:05 AM

Way to go! I see 40+ coming here in the near future!!

elhigh 05-08-2018 09:42 AM

That's a big improvement.

Any mods you make before you set out will provide a quieter, smoother ride. Not joking: air turbulence is noise and buffeting. Do some testing before committing to a long trip with grille blocks of course.

westb87 05-08-2018 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by elhigh (Post 568999)
That's a big improvement.

Any mods you make before you set out will provide a quieter, smoother ride. Not joking: air turbulence is noise and buffeting. Do some testing before committing to a long trip with grille blocks of course.

Thanks!

The Civic is really just the "in-town commute" car. I wish it could fit our family during a road trip though, it'd be awesome.
We are taking "Broomstick", our VW Atlas, instead since we have to bring our dogs. I'm going to try some blocking on it and will monitor the oil temps during the trip. I plan to have blocking that's removable in sections so, if needed, I can remove pieces to allow the car to cool more. It's a big, burly SUV that could probably benefit from some aero-mods. I'm going to try to fold the mirrors in as well to see if it helps with the MPGs. We are excited!

mpg_numbers_guy 05-08-2018 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by elhigh (Post 568999)
Any mods you make before you set out will provide a quieter, smoother ride. Not joking: air turbulence is noise and buffeting.

Except for inflating your tires to sidewall max. ;)

westb87 05-09-2018 07:49 AM

Couldn't help myself!
 
Ok ok ok, so I know I said that any mods to the Civic may take time, but I geeked out a bit yesterday and mocked up some grille blocking. I'll preface the rest of this post with the fact that I got an extra 2.6mpg out of my morning commute today than I did yesterday's morning commute. An improvement from 41mpg to 43.6mpg AND I got hung up at 4 more red lights than I normally do.

I didn't take any pictures yet because most of the work is just in cardboard mockup. However, for the upper grille I got a bit creative. At first, I was just going to duct tape the upper grille and then paint the duct tape black. Then I had a creative idea! I'm a big fan of spray foam and polyiso insulation and for spray foam, I use one of the "pro-guns" that the larger cans of spray foam screw to. They give you much better control than the standard straw. So I removed my upper grille, duct taped the face of it as flat and even as I could, flipped it over and filled each of the little honeycomb shapes in with spray foam. Once the foam cures, I'll remove the duct tape, shave the foam flat at the face and spray paint it black. That way, the upper grille will still look as stock as possible while also acting as a grille block. I'll take some pics when it's back on and purdy. :D

For the lower grille, I've mocked up some cardboard and secured it with zip ties. The opening was maybe 6" across. This morning was about 65 degrees and the car hit 204 (my car's fan trigger temp) about halfway through my commute, would drop to about 197 and rise again, but wouldn't go above 207 as long as I was cruising. This is warmer than I care for...considering these Civics are prone to warping heads in high heat. I couldn't hear it, but I assume that those temperature swings were the result of the fans cycling. When I got to work, I opened about 4" more of opening each way (for a total of about 8" more total opening) because it's going to be damn near 90 degrees on the way home. Once I determine an opening that will survive an Alabama summer, I'll build some permanent polyiso insulation blocks, paint them, and secure them in with a "staged" block system that will allow me to add and remove sections of the "safe" opening to keep pace with the weather...most likely with industrial grade Velcro so I'm not screwing with zip ties all the time.

I'm going to run this grille block setup for this tank so I can see how much of an effect it has across an entire tank. After I determine it's effect over this tank, my next mod to "test" is the lawn edging air dam. It'll get run down through a whole tank as well. Thanks for reading!:thumbup:

westb87 05-10-2018 07:59 AM

Update again!
 
I took the mudflaps off yesterday because the two front ones were dangling enough to look unsightly and I figured they weren't helping my mileage.

On my way in to work this morning I got an average of 47mpg! That's a jump from 43.6mpg earned during yesterday's commute. Could those mudflaps really have been parachuting the car THAT much?! My instant MPG readout at 50mph hovered around 60-65mpg and my readout at 60mph was around 42-50mpg. The car's temp was hovering around 204-207 degrees, which is still warmer than I'd like. When it hit 207, I'd hit the A/C button (I was just running the fan on the lowest setting otherwise) and let it cycle down to about 195 before I'd cut it off again. I assume that running the AC (and it's obligate running of the e-fans) yesterday afternoon is what kept the car cooler during my commute home.

19bonestock88 05-10-2018 10:14 AM

Nice work! Looking forward to seeing your grille blocking take shape! Hadn’t thought of using foam... I use strapping tape because I get it for free and have a huge surplus lol

westb87 05-10-2018 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 19bonestock88 (Post 569236)
Nice work! Looking forward to seeing your grille blocking take shape! Hadn’t thought of using foam... I use strapping tape because I get it for free and have a huge surplus lol

Hey man, I'm all about saving money and using what you've got on hand! Foam just happened to be my "surplus" supply and I wanted to see if I could get crafty with it. I've used "window & door" foam on the inside of the body around the rear wheel well cavity (coupe) as sound dampener. Nearly my entire cavity in front of and above each wheel well is filled with foam. Having done that, now the only road noise I hear is from the front wheel well areas. I'm a fan of "light and effective" :D:D:D

mpg_numbers_guy 05-10-2018 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by westb87 (Post 569082)
Ok ok ok, so I know I said that any mods to the Civic may take time, but I geeked out a bit yesterday...

Now you sound like me :rolleyes: lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by westb87 (Post 569082)
...and mocked up some grille blocking. I'll preface the rest of this post with the fact that I got an extra 2.6mpg out of my morning commute today than I did yesterday's morning commute. An improvement from 41mpg to 43.6mpg AND I got hung up at 4 more red lights than I normally do.

How long is your commute? My grille blocking (upper and lower) was good for a tested 1 mpg improvement.

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Originally Posted by westb87 (Post 569082)
I didn't take any pictures yet because most of the work is just in cardboard mockup. However, for the upper grille I got a bit creative. At first, I was just going to duct tape the upper grille and then paint the duct tape black. Then I had a creative idea! I'm a big fan of spray foam and polyiso insulation and for spray foam, I use one of the "pro-guns" that the larger cans of spray foam screw to. They give you much better control than the standard straw. So I removed my upper grille, duct taped the face of it as flat and even as I could, flipped it over and filled each of the little honeycomb shapes in with spray foam. Once the foam cures, I'll remove the duct tape, shave the foam flat at the face and spray paint it black. That way, the upper grille will still look as stock as possible while also acting as a grille block. I'll take some pics when it's back on and purdy. :D

Good idea with the foam! The 7th gen Civic's upper grille is somewhat tricky to fab up a grille block onto since the backing isn't flat and flush like most others are.

I want pics! :D

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Originally Posted by westb87 (Post 569082)
For the lower grille, I've mocked up some cardboard and secured it with zip ties. The opening was maybe 6" across. This morning was about 65 degrees and the car hit 204 (my car's fan trigger temp) about halfway through my commute, would drop to about 197 and rise again, but wouldn't go above 207 as long as I was cruising. This is warmer than I care for...considering these Civics are prone to warping heads in high heat. I couldn't hear it, but I assume that those temperature swings were the result of the fans cycling. When I got to work, I opened about 4" more of opening each way (for a total of about 8" more total opening) because it's going to be damn near 90 degrees on the way home. Once I determine an opening that will survive an Alabama summer, I'll build some permanent polyiso insulation blocks, paint them, and secure them in with a "staged" block system that will allow me to add and remove sections of the "safe" opening to keep pace with the weather...most likely with industrial grade Velcro so I'm not screwing with zip ties all the time.

Did you cover the fog light opening areas with the lower grille block at all?

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Originally Posted by westb87 (Post 569082)
I'm going to run this grille block setup for this tank so I can see how much of an effect it has across an entire tank. After I determine it's effect over this tank, my next mod to "test" is the lawn edging air dam. It'll get run down through a whole tank as well. Thanks for reading!:thumbup:

Lawn edging air dam - single best mod outside of a boattail. Worth the entire $5 for the lawn edging! :D

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Originally Posted by westb87 (Post 569219)
I took the mudflaps off yesterday because the two front ones were dangling enough to look unsightly and I figured they weren't helping my mileage.

You...had...mudflaps...on...your...car? :eek::eek: Terrible! :p

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Originally Posted by westb87 (Post 569219)
On my way in to work this morning I got an average of 47mpg! That's a jump from 43.6mpg earned during yesterday's commute. Could those mudflaps really have been parachuting the car THAT much?! My instant MPG readout at 50mph hovered around 60-65mpg and my readout at 60mph was around 42-50mpg. The car's temp was hovering around 204-207 degrees, which is still warmer than I'd like. When it hit 207, I'd hit the A/C button (I was just running the fan on the lowest setting otherwise) and let it cycle down to about 195 before I'd cut it off again. I assume that running the AC (and it's obligate running of the e-fans) yesterday afternoon is what kept the car cooler during my commute home.

Looking good! But what's AC? ;)

Trips can vary by quite a bit, so one can't say for sure exactly how much of an improvement is there unless you do ABA testing. But is a generally accepted thing that mudflaps add drag and reduce FE, albeit on a smaller scale.

You might find that if you can properly install wheel spats and boattail behind the mudflaps that they might provide a good mounting surface for wheel skirts, and actually increase your FE.

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Originally Posted by westb87 (Post 569243)
...I've used "window & door" foam on the inside of the body around the rear wheel well cavity (coupe) as sound dampener. Nearly my entire cavity in front of and above each wheel well is filled with foam. Having done that, now the only road noise I hear is from the front wheel well areas. I'm a fan of "light and effective" :D:D:D

Pics?? :D:D

westb87 05-10-2018 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpg_numbers_guy (Post 569255)
Now you sound like me :rolleyes: lol



How long is your commute? My grille blocking (upper and lower) was good for a tested 1 mpg improvement.



Good idea with the foam! The 7th gen Civic's upper grille is somewhat tricky to fab up a grille block onto since the backing isn't flat and flush like most others are.

I want pics! :D



Did you cover the fog light opening areas with the lower grille block at all?



Lawn edging air dam - single best mod outside of a boattail. Worth the entire $5 for the lawn edging! :D



You...had...mudflaps...on...your...car? :eek::eek: Terrible! :p



Looking good! But what's AC? ;)

Trips can vary by quite a bit, so one can't say for sure exactly how much of an improvement is there unless you do ABA testing. But is a generally accepted thing that mudflaps add drag and reduce FE, albeit on a smaller scale.

You might find that if you can properly install wheel spats and boattail behind the mudflaps that they might provide a good mounting surface for wheel skirts, and actually increase your FE.



Pics?? :D:D

My commute is 15 miles one way. Takes me approximately 20 minutes or so. None of it is flat except for the 2 miles of highway I do 60mph on. I'll get mowed down if I go any slower.

Once I get the grille on and done, I'll send some pics, I promise!

The fog light areas are already blocked off. I figured that if I really wanted to make a "smooth" bumper I'd have to remove it, fiberglass, paint, etc. just to net that extra .15mpg. The ROI to do that just didn't balance out for me. Plus, I've got the wife and 2 boys that already demand much of my off time.

I'm really excited to add the air dam, but I really want to test for this tank to determine if the blocking and mudflaps really did boost my FE by THAT much. And yes...they were Honda factory mudflaps. MANY Civics of that era have them. They did work well to keep dirt off the paint, but I wash my vehicles enough that it's a non-issue for me.

AC is this crazy voodoo stuff that involves the compression and expansion of gases and the absorption or explusion of heat through those processes. It's a necessity in Alabama summers, make no mistake.

I want this car to remain as "stock looking" as possible. I've resigned myself to the fact that I'm not doing any boat-tails or skirts on this car. It's a good looking car that I just couldn't bring myself to do that to. I'm sure that 10 years from now when my son gets his learner's permit I'll be giving it to him and buying myself the biggest, most lifted, offroad capable 3500 series truck I can find so I can commute in style and NEVER take the truck offroad, tow, or haul anything with it like everyone else around me here does....J/K J/K J/K!!!! :p:D

mpg_numbers_guy 05-10-2018 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by westb87 (Post 569265)
My commute is 15 miles one way. Takes me approximately 20 minutes or so. None of it is flat except for the 2 miles of highway I do 60mph on. I'll get mowed down if I go any slower.

Hills are fun if you drive them right. :cool:

Is there an alternate route you can take that avoids the highway?

Quote:

Originally Posted by westb87 (Post 569265)
AC is this crazy voodoo stuff that involves the compression and expansion of gases and the absorption or explusion of heat through those processes. It's a necessity in Alabama summers, make no mistake.

Alternative coolers...how about a mini portable battery powered air conditioning unit or two you can have inside the car?

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Originally Posted by westb87 (Post 569265)
I want this car to remain as "stock looking" as possible. I've resigned myself to the fact that I'm not doing any boat-tails or skirts on this car. It's a good looking car that I just couldn't bring myself to do that to. I'm sure that 10 years from now when my son gets his learner's permit I'll be giving it to him and buying myself the biggest, most lifted, offroad capable 3500 series truck I can find so I can commute in style and NEVER take the truck offroad, tow, or haul anything with it like everyone else around me here does....J/K J/K J/K!!!! :p:D

As long is it's 100% reversible to stock with no permanent damage, who cares? I was initially a member of the "100% stock" club myself until I saw what was possible with just a lil' bit'a tweaking. :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by westb87 (Post 569265)
the biggest, most lifted, offroad capable 3500 series truck I can find

Oh the blasphemy! :D

westb87 05-10-2018 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mpg_numbers_guy (Post 569274)
Hills are fun if you drive them right. :cool:

Is there an alternate route you can take that avoids the highway?

There is, but it's several miles out of the way with A LOT of stoplights. Would absolutely not work out for FE. I can't go the other way because we've got a huge military base in the way, lol.


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Originally Posted by mpg_numbers_guy (Post 569274)
Alternative coolers...how about a mini portable battery powered air conditioning unit or two you can have inside the car?

That energy still isn't free and the weight the car would have to carry isn't either. I know that energy (electricity to charge the battery) is significantly cheaper, but I'd spend more rigging up the solution than I would in any possible savings. Plus, I still need to fit the family in the car on occasion and my backseat has two carseats in it, lmao.

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Originally Posted by mpg_numbers_guy (Post 569274)
As long is it's 100% reversible to stock with no permanent damage, who cares? I was initially a member of the "100% stock" club myself until I saw what was possible with just a lil' bit'a tweaking. :thumbup:

Thought about it, but I work in a somewhat "high-end" facility where I'm surrounded by BMWs, Mercedes, Audis, a couple Porsches (The front end of the Panamera here was my surefire inspiration to block my upper grille...it doesn't even have one!), a Maserati, and a Bentley (Edit: Also, a metric butt-ton of Range Rovers). I'm already a bit of a sore thumb with what I drive (screw 'em if they use it against me) and I'd rather not be the guy with cardboard and coroplast being visibly plastered onto the side of my vehicle. I'm cool with doing a belly pan on the underside, but doing anything visible would get the word around that I'm the weird a-hole with the crap stuck all over his little Honda car and I do NOT need that kind of reputation around here.

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Originally Posted by mpg_numbers_guy (Post 569274)
Oh the blasphemy! :D

I just shake my head when I walk the parking lot and I'm looking at the MIDDLE of the front bumper of a 3500 truck that's lifted so tall and sitting on gigantic mud tires that I can lean my head to see COMPLETELY under the truck. There's a few of those. These things are at least $100k worth of truck and mods that will never tow, never see mud, never go offroad anymore than driving in the grass at the fair parking lot, and will never haul anything heavier than the family and luggage. It's absolutely absurd.

19bonestock88 05-10-2018 05:41 PM

Yeah I don’t get why people need to drive a six figure one ton pickup just to go to the mall... 8mpg and I can’t imagine what insurance costs on a vehicle that expensive... then again, the “normies” make fun of the way my car looks, and it’s build is barely getting started

westb87 05-10-2018 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 19bonestock88 (Post 569312)
Yeah I don’t get why people need to drive a six figure one ton pickup just to go to the mall... 8mpg and I can’t imagine what insurance costs on a vehicle that expensive... then again, the “normies” make fun of the way my car looks, and it’s build is barely getting started

Lol, so true!!! Those folks are missing the boat entirely. When gas prices go up, they'll be turning to you as their fuel mizing master. ;)

westb87 05-10-2018 05:53 PM

Snapped a shot or two of the grille. It isn't mounted yet, but I was excited nonetheless.

[IMG] http://imgur.com/iLFrsD6 [/IMG]
[IMG] http://imgur.com/nx41Dxp [/IMG]
[IMG] http://imgur.com/QZe1Gla [/IMG]

19bonestock88 05-10-2018 06:35 PM

That doesn’t look too bad... any plans for finish work?

westb87 05-15-2018 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 19bonestock88 (Post 569322)
That doesn’t look too bad... any plans for finish work?

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you! I had considered finishing it with a smooth finish, but I REALLY don't have the spare time to do fiberglassing projects. The foam and paint did well enough for me to live with it.

In other news, I hit 50mpg on my work commute this morning!:thumbup:

mpg_numbers_guy 05-15-2018 10:46 PM

Congrats on the 50 MPG achievement!


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