Small / economy car deathwatch: we've passed "peak econobox" again
10 Attachment(s)
We have passed "peak economy car" in North America.
Again! (This seems to go in cycles.) Just over 10 years ago, when EcoModder started, there were only a handful of econoboxes available in the States:
Fast forward to today, and even though gas prices have crept back up to 3 year highs, small cars are being dropped from line-ups at a pretty rapid clip. Please bow your heads to pay respects to the dearly departed (or imminently departing)... http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...1&d=1528146985Did I miss any? Chrysler has also dropped the 200, but that doesn't count as an economy car. And Ford is killing off all its cars (including the Fusion hybrid), except the Mustang. |
Sigh. :(
|
9 or 10 years ago the volt was a really cool looking concept. It turned out to be a Buick.
Then when gas gets back near $4 a gallon and everyone freaks out it will be a scramble to see who can bring the economy cars back the fastest. It will be the imports and GM will be playing catch up, ford will be caught with their pants down, and dodge will be totally lost unveiling some 9mpg car or truck at the worst possible time. I stated looking for a leaf when gas prices were at something like a 6 or 8 year low. |
Not really sure how they were ever a thing in the first place.
I can get a much better used car that gets as good or better fuel economy then these stripped down econoboxes. Why would I buy a brand new econobox for $15k when I can get a 2 year old Prius plug-in for $2k less, that has more features, safety, fuel economy, and utility? Never understood why someone would buy a new Aveo, which is an awful car, when for the same money they could buy a few year old Lexus, Acura, etc, etc. I get that some people like tiny cars because they live in crowded urban environments. Perhaps then it makes sense to consider something like the Fit. The Yaris offended me first by the stupid name, then by seeing the speedo in the center of the dash rather than in front of the driver. I declined to test drive one after that. |
Quote:
Maybe this will mean that these smaller cars will become even cheaper now that they're out of production? Kind of like the Saturns? |
Quote:
If that's the case, I expect to get a great deal on a used Fusion Energi when they stop production. My compact, low utility, fuel efficient vehicle is my motorcycle. |
When Chevrolet killed the Metro, were there any other shoebox-class cars on the market?
I forgot about the center cluster! Who thought that was a good idea?! As I recall, it was not symmetrical, but would it only need different trim for both left- and right-hand drive? Toyota owners told me they liked having the speedometer out of the way, but when I dug deeper, they admitted they did not look at it. |
Quote:
You forget that you're not a normal person. :) Normal people don't want the hassle of hunting for an appropriate used car with an unknowable history that some other owner has previously farted in. It's easier and nicer to just pick a colour from a row of identical ones with that new car smell. Also: it's easier to get financing for a new car -- especially long-term financing, which lowers payments dramatically, which is arguably what lower income econobox shoppers want. And let's not forget the full warranty on the new car. Epitomy of peace of mind vs. a scary used car experience. Having said all that, *I* (and most people on this forum, I bet) agree with your reasoning. We're not normal either. So let's not convince normal people not to buy brand new econoboxes... how else am I going to buy cheap used ones a decade or more later?? |
Quote:
|
A friend had a 2012 Civic. The air conditioning went out. She traded it in for a new Toyota and accepted $4,500 for the trade. Kelley says it was worth $6,500 as a trade-in and $9,200 private party. I do not have any idea what was wrong with the air conditioning, perhaps recharging the refrigerant would have been enough for a while.
I do not know if she is normal or if I ever ever met a normal person, but every year millions of people trade in cars for less they could have received on their own. I cannot find the video now, but someone explained that some dealerships have a trick to raise the sale price of a new car to cover the trade-in, so that you effectively give away your car for free. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
The only time I purchased a used car from a dealership, Mr. Slick scribbled out his foursquare and asked what I could afford. I told him it's none of his business, and the only matter at hand is the sales price of the vehicle. He asked me what I think the car was worth, so I told him. He laughed at that price saying they had to make money too... 2 weeks later they sold it to me for the price I originally stated; not a penny more. My first offer is always my best offer. Fancy showrooms, free coffee and expensive vacations don't come from nowhere. |
Mom once pushed me into buying a car from CarMax, but instead of driving across town, I went to a lot across the street from me that I thought was similar. Apparently, CarMax has a great reputation for making trading in your car for a newer one as easy as possible, but they will pay you less for your old car, and charge you more for your new one.
The place where I went kept advertising low payments. I do not remember what it was, just that they required payments every two weeks for forty-two months. Perhaps the two-week part is what kept my brain from doing the math on its own. Twice a month for forty-two months would be eighty-four payments, but with fifty-two weeks in a year, that would be twenty-six payments per year, and forty-two months is three and a half years, so $payment x 26 x ... Where was I? My flip phone or Nokia should would have had a calculator. I could have figured it out with pen and paper in seconds. Why didn't I? It felt like it took forever, so I certainly had the time. It seemed like all that I only had one form left and... ...28%?! Nope nope nope! I have mentioned before the chain of dealerships back in the valley that guaranteed $5,000 (or whatever. It changes from time to time) for your trade-in, or, exclusive to that offer, $5,000 off any new car! Am I the only one to realize that you effectively give them your car for free? |
Quote:
You'd hate to be around me when TV commercials play. I'm always pointing out the marketing gimmicks, such as "Allstate's Accident Forgiveness". Essentially, they forgive a future accident because you have been paying a higher premium all along. I don't like to bet against myself by paying for something I intend to avoid in the first place. |
I just sold our 2001 bug with 1.8t engine sport package, for $1,850.
Never trade, unless you hate money and love getting ripped off. If I would have traded that pile of junk I would have been lucky to get $900 for it. Instead it paid for about 1/3 of my leaf on the back end. |
Quote:
|
Ford 7.3L expeditions go for $16 to $20k.
Not bad for 20 year old vehices. |
To all you nay-sayers on the Echo/Yaris...I happen to like the instrument cluster where it is in my '05 hatchback. Yes, it took some getting used to, but that goes away after a few days. It's better there! I'm tall and always have trouble seeing the instrument cluster past the steering wheel; it's never blocked where it is. And at night, well, it's not staring me right in the face, blinding me whenever I am staring down a dark road.
Feminine? :rolleyes: I feel no need to hand in my man-card for driving it. :p |
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Yaris deathwatch?
1 Attachment(s)
Agreed - the Echo's cluster position was odd, but I quickly got used to it in the one I had briefly. I actually kind of liked the lack of visual "buffer" between me & the road -- interesting feeling.
=== http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...1&d=1528211824 Speaking of that car... Any bets on how long the Yaris (Echo's successor) lasts in the U.S.? Look at this year's sales numbers for the hatchback:
Are they letting it die off without officially saying so? Or is there a replacement hatch waiting in the wings we don't know about? DEATHWATCH |
Those numbers are worse than the Prius v which toyo did kill
Seems odd they keep the fit or c around I’m hoping Toyo has the will to keep cars on the ballot until the next gas price surge. I never did get why the Prime wasn’t just packaged into the Prius V considering they had to make a special elongated chassis that the battery still didn’t fit properly Ah well, time will tell |
I wonder if Toyota is letting the Yaris hatch die off because they've now got the "iA" sedan (rebadged Mazda2, on a much newer platform) to sell in its place as their entry level car.
I assume they killed the Prius V because they wanted people to buy the Rav4, now the company's best-selling hybrid. The Fit is still selling reasonably well... around 5k a month if memory serves. |
Quote:
Quote:
|
I hate driving a large car. For economy reasons, sure - but also for agility and practicality and because it is so much easier.
|
I do not know this Jalopnik writer is, but he says that if you like sedans, your opinion is bad, and you should feel bad. He also dislikes crossovers, which is fine, but argues that everyone should drive a hatchback or wagon. I have only had one of either. Aren't hatchbacks shorter versions of sedans with, you know, hatches? Everybody talks about all of their cargo space, but that depends on how deep the cargo area is. I took a Spark grocery shopping and the hatch was about a foot deep.
I think my mother's 2006 Camry is her first sedan. She always had station wagons and I think that station wagons are underrated--unless it is a Ford Taurus. Mom's died the day after she bought it and the previous owner probably got rid of it because it was unreliable. I think this guy has the pettiest arguments against wagons. I felt that someone made much better arguments for sedans and the author dismissed them. What do you guys think: https://jalopnik.com/sedans-dont-mak...ore-1826673000 |
Quote:
|
Quote:
We just buy them because they're prettier. |
Quote:
|
But, in theory, a wagon could be made more aerodynamic than a sedan of the same footprint, by sloping the roof and stuff...
I like wagons, personally... the previous generation CTS-V wagon was really cool! 556bhp, 6spd, RWD wagon goodness! “The kids will never be late to soccer practice again, bwahaha!” |
I often wonder why people care strongly about what other people do. Sedans versus coupes? Who cares?
People purposely purchasing cars with automatic transmissions--unless they have a note from their doctor, that is just stupid. |
Quote:
To each their own? |
Quote:
|
I keep hearing horror stories of friends with new vehicles that the dealer can't make reliable, even when they pay bills several times higher than the most I've ever paid for a whole car. Parts and depreciation cost me less than $200 pa.
This is probably the time to shop for your next daily driver and matching parts car. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
By current U.S. Army standards, a four-man lift is 100 pounds.
|
I still stand by the idea it is only minimally less expensive to manufacture, sell, and warranty a stripped down ecobox compared to an average sedan. Yet the companies can only get 50-70% of the price in comparison. If I'm selling coffee and the majority of my cost is employees, buildings, taxes, insurance, etc. Why sell a 50 cent cup that cost me 40 cents in materials when I can sell a 5 dollar cup that cost me 80 cents in materials.
|
You advertise the 50 cent cup to get people into your coffee dealership, where your employees upsell them to the 5 dollar cup!
Or you sell them the 40 cent cup, but with $200 floor mats, $600 rustproofing, and finance it all in house at 8%! |
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:46 AM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com