Smart Fortwo CDI diesel engine swap?
I have been searching for information, but haven’t found any.
Has anyone swapped a Smart CDI drive train into something like a Honda N600 or Classic Mini? |
Good question!
Or a 1st gen Insight? That would kick butt. For those who don't know, the 1st generation Smart Fortwo diesel had these specs: Quote:
http://metrompg.com/posts/photos/jetcar.jpg MetroMPG miscellany - MetroMPG.com I wonder if you posted at clubsmartcar.com whether they'd have any more examples. Though my limited time spent there suggests they're not very excited about efficiency mods. |
I'm pretty sure that the Avion uses a Smart diesel:
http://www.teamdochnoch.de/s9y/uploads/netz/avion.jpg http://www.greentechgazette.com/images/avion.jpg http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r...cher/avion.jpg |
There is a guy in town that imported a Smart, before the US Smarts were available. He has a CDI drive train that be bought from Canada sitting in his garage. It made me start wondering how difficult it would be to wire up the engine and trans to get them to run in another vehicle.
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Neil - good memory. Basjoos figured in this thread that it's the Smart engine in the diesel: http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...html#post67415
Lincoln - I have no idea how feasable it is. But a hard core ecomodder (with no other projects on the go :D) would jump at the chance. |
Can't help thinking that a 2000-2002 VW Polo TDi would be this exact car. To illustrate:
Weight - the 2001 was based on the early 90s Polo so no super heavy/safety carp. Engine - 3cyl TDI (PD) engine, 1.4 litre and about 70hp. The combination I think is a sweet-spot in Diesel small hatchback design. Kind of matched but not beat in any way by the Bluemotion. Full disclosure - I had a Polo TDi a few years ago and it was excellent for FE. But I wanted more power so I went Peugeot 206 (2.0 HDi) and then my current Fabia. EDIT : Some people have put a full VTEC Honda into an original Mini (not MINI) so I suspect a Diesel would be OK. |
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The Avion does utilize the Mercedes Smart fortwo .8L CDI with its 5 speed transmission. The engine was chip tuned to produce 68HP. It replaced the older VW rabbit diesel engine.
The results were reported as 80 MPG at 70 mph (110 km/h) and 114 MPG at 55 mph (89 km/h)! I think he would have done better fuel economy wise if he would have stuck with the original 6 speed or pre 2006 transmission. The pre 2006 transmission had taller gear ratios in gears 3,4,5, and 6. The 6 gear ratio for the post 2006 was 2.908 vs 2.381 for the pre 2006 model transmission. You can use these for mid engined applications but you would need to swap the entire drivetrain as the ECU controls the transmission as well. So basically you are stuck with the Smart transmission which is not the worst thing in the world but there are far better options IMO. |
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Greenhornet :thumbup: |
think this could work in a stripped down metro sized car, (sorry for the late arrival) I only need to get up to 80-90Kph on my island (The 0.8L CDi not the 1.4L TDI)
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I’ve often wondered how you would get a smart CDI detuned and running stand alone
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Well, hadn't Diesel engines been outlawed for small cars in my country, I'm sure a similar option could serve right for most taxi drivers. On a sidenote, that 2-cyl 0.8L turbodiesel which Maruti Suzuki used to make and which seemed to be comparable to the Smart CDi 3-cyl on most aspects could eventually be a reasonable option for small sedans such as the Fiat Cronos which has been increasingly popular among Brazilian taxi drivers. https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hENwKBzQD...out%2Bnovo.jpg https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mxY3KQ0YA...%25B3polis.jpg |
cRiPpLe_rOoStEr, just had to look that 2-cylinder turbodiesel up on youtube. Sounds funny, kind of a small motorcycle and tractor combined. :D
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I know it is extremely off topic, but how are the VAG TDI engines compared to the MB CDI engines (around 2009). Reliability and FE wise.
A friend of mine owns a bmw 520 model year 1999 if i recall correctly and he says that the parts are common in many models and years. But that is not so with VAG cars which have different sensors/parts for most model year and subgroup cars. Making it almost impossible to find non oem parts. Which in turn makes it much more expensive to maintain. |
VAG engines are quite modular, so it's not impossible to use parts of a different model-year. Plus the aftermarket support makes adaptations easier.
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That 0.8L Suzuki diesel is the cat’s meow. https://www.wardsauto.com/miscellane...n-sheet-diesel Quote:
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I guess this could be a nice recipient for such engine swap
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NN0iUPldl...o-esquerdo.jpg https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZxpuV9itr...ro-direito.jpg |
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