So you wanna build a muscle-modded ecocar or an ecomodded muscle car? What is that?
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When would you consider a K-swapped G1 Insight or a V-8 Firefly an ecomodded muscle car engine rather than an un-ecomodded eco-ride chassis? I'd say if the overall car is lighter than the muscle car, has better Cd (or at least CdA), and is supplied with more efficient cruising gear ratios, then its an eco-modded muscle car. Even better if a K-swap is tuned to run leaner at certain low low, light throttle, crusing RPMs, like pgfpro has done. And similarly, when would you consider a classic car/truck chassis with an eco-engine swap, like the Firebrid or the PriaGhia, to be an eco-ride in addition to being a wicked-cool restomod? Maybe if the overall weight compared to the engine's donor vehicle is reduced? Favorite such projects appearing on this site in recent years: The Gaptooth K-swapped G1 Insight https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthre...hts-36581.html samwichse's link to a V8 Firefly (inspire this post) https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthre...tml#post596785 The VW PriaGhia: https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthre...tml#post575645 The Pontiac Firebrid https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthre...tml#post506873 1946 Chevy truck/Prius https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthre...tml#post535568 And pgfpro's 1991 Talon https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthre...tml#post421143 |
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Thanks for the cool post. I'm not sure what I would call them? That's why I always referred to my Talon being a Mis-Fit.
Update on the Talon it has become more of a race/street car in the last few years. The car is extremely fast now and has a moly 8.5 cage. Its a lot lighter but still has an heater wipers and all the stuff so I can drive it 365 days a year. It has race cams and the lifters are now stock ones verse the FE ones I had in it before. So FE has drop off drastically but I'm sure it will still get around 28-30mpg. I would have to adjust the cam gears for FE though which isn't a big deal. The fuel I'm running is E98 bio ethanol from "Thunder Bolt Racing Fuel" they make fruit chips. The waste fruit juice is converted to ethanol. I use the car to do a lot of different things now. This last winter was a bad one and I drove it when the roads were really bad. I won our local dirt Drags with it last Fall. That was a blast beating purposely built dirt drag trucks lol It sounds a little different now ;) https://www.facebook.com/russell.ram...055525439/?t=2 |
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I'm going to spin it in my mind that I'll have the most efficient Acura TSX engine out there, rather than a less efficient Insight. I'm going to have a car that pretty much accelerates at the limit of what's possible in a front wheel drive car without drag radials, while burning less fuel than any other vehicle on the road sans a handful of hybrids. I'm possibly going to have the most efficient car on the road ANYWHERE at this this level of acceleration, probably better even than any sport bike with similar acceleration.
Although it's only a few more days until I get it on the road, it's hard to complain when I have strong reason to believe I'll still be getting 50+ mpg, beating the fuel economy of most CVT Insights as well as that of careless or poorly maintained MT, all the while having a 0-60 time lower than some modern Lamborhginis. Take the Diablo - 0-60 in 4.4 seconds with 8mpg city and 13mpg highway. Look at it in inverse - 25-30L/100km vs <4.5L/100km estimated. Outrageous. Economy supercar, in every sense of the phrase. Gone will be the days of 100mpg cruising, but I can't help but feel it isn't too bad a trade, to go from maybe 3L/100km to 4.5L/100km, considering how it will stack up. ~ I understand the ability to accelerate quickly is of little interest to many, and, frankly the amount of time one spends accelerating as opposed to cruising makes a swap like these a bit silly. I hope others enjoy the story at least. |
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Edit: Took it to the drag strip, looks like a 4.3 second 0-60. I could do better with a super aggressive launch and better body positioning, but 4.3 is more realistic. Fastest 1/4 mile time was a 12.587 at 105.05 MPH. I lost every race. :\ |
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I still haven’t gotten the chance to run many tanks through it yet. More will come! I actually just finished up shortening a stock exhaust and swapped that for the Yoshimura pipe it came with. May not change MPG, but it will be a whole lot cleaner with a catalytic converter. |
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Thanks for the correction. |
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To me, 'muscle car' implies a 20th century Detroit sedan that has a big honking motor and no brakes or handling. The first one was the 1961 Impala bubble-top coupe. This was mentioned before but I can't find the thread. It's close, but the straight front axle makes it a 'gasser' not a muscle car. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KSt_Y4gZgM Your classic car/truck might be a chrome-plated V-8 with a hybrid subsystem, I know those have been posted here at least once. edit: Youtube wanted me to see this one too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vTCK9ywBA 2nd edit: Rich Rebuilds meets Jonathan Ward. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMlfBKd_hz8 |
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