So you want to talk up your new fuel-saving product on EcoModder...
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More than a couple of times now, someone has signed up to use the forum to promote their latest gizmo that supposedly saves some fantastic amount of fuel. (I can think of four or five.)
Unfortunately, this plan hasn't always unfolded as smoothly as the promoter hoped. So the interest of avoiding future tears and hurt feelings, the purpose of this thread is to lay out & discuss EcoModder's guidelines for promoters/vendors, and let them know what we expect of them, and what they can expect from us if they want to talk up their stuff. 1. We want evidence.
2. Customer testimonials don't count as evidence.
3. Media reports about your product don't count as evidence.
4. Don't expect us to do your basic research
Feel free to misinterpret the healthy skepticism you may encounter in the forum as "closed-mindedness", unwillingness to accept The Truth, or collusion with The Man. At that point, you'll probably go away. But remember you're welcome back when you've got some solid 3rd party evidence to present. Until then, without acceptable proof, we won't allow you to post links to your web site, or testimonial YouTube videos, etc., etc. Good luck with your business. --- See also: http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...ery-11445.html |
Thank you, hopefully more scammers will see this!
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Well it won't prevent new ones from signing up & posting.
But at least we can point them here afterward so they'll see why we're asking so many durned questions and not automatically giving out our credit card numbers. :) |
I make a motion to Sticky-fy.
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I'm thinking ... maybe we have too many stickies.
Besides, I bet you a dollar they won't bother reading it anyway, in all the excitement of joining to tell us about their new product!! |
Great idea. :thumbup:
I doubt it will work, but ya gotta start somewhere. I would suggest that as soon as a post/thread is determined to be a sales pitch it be moved to either the For Sale forum, or even the Off Topic Forum if it's clearly bogus... "I've got some magic beans." |
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Well said, d-man.
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do we really want to run off the 'red meat'??????
I'm still savoring the last one that jumped in the pit!!!!! lol |
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Another forum i was on had the same issue. What they did was made them pay to sell anything on the forum. it was something like $10 a year to become a vendor. So the forums would un ass their money before they tried to get ours. That stopped a lot of the stupid ones and the ones that would do it got eaten by us. So it was a when/when for everyone.
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First thought: what a great idea! (Rubs hands together at the thought of sponsor money!)
Second thought: one of the things these "vendors" hope to achieve by posting here is taking advantage of EcoModder's hard-earned good rankings with the search engines to seed links back to their own garbage web sites. So I'm still inclined to just say "go away unless you have quality evidence to show." |
The true cost of innovation
The spark of innovation began in 1999. The process took 5 years to materialize into something that had enough legitimacy to pursue a Patent.
The first Patent process was a nightmare of mistakes by the Patent Office and in the process the second configuration was conceived and after a decade, a Patent was finally issued. Tens of thousands of dollars in legal cost, a prototype that worked but was poorly executed by a machinist whose priority was funding his business. There are hundreds of examples of innovation, where the spark of the same innovation, cost the individual their wealth, their lives, and also cost their families dearly for their pursuit of something that changed our lives today in ways we could not imagine at the initial point of that same innovation. Sadly many innovators, knowing the low odds of ever achieving financial success, when such success is richly deserved, never pursue their dreams to the point where that dream transcends the threshold of success. I know this thread is not about what I have posted here. I just wanted to show the "other side of the coin" when it comes to real innovation. I have never asked anyone for financial, assistance. People of integrity understand that outside financing brings on significantly greater expectations of progress and deadlines are set that seem to make every step in the process excruciatingly difficult. Anyway, enough rambling from a beat up Old Mechanic. It doesn't take much to figure out when someone is trying to use this site for quick personal gain without substantial evidence to support their claims. regards Mech |
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Guaranteed that will solve the problem. |
Or run a "Pinks" style competition.
Find a good testing ground and Vendor and Forum members show up to test said vendors wares in an A-B-A test.
The Vendor puts up a small but not insignificant amount of money equivalent to a year of advertising space here on Ecomodder. If they win, they get their money back and the advertising space they crave. If they lose, they forfeit the monies for wasting everyone's time and then suffer the ignominious abuse on this forum. |
Production of Money Device
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I have not belabored this forum with my thoughts about this process and I will start a new thread if the funding opportunity actually materializes. Too many "oh what a great ideas" then not a single additional move, remark, comment, or even a criticism after a contact was established. Like a bottomless pit of information dissemination into a black hole. Wish me luck. mech |
Good luck.
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Good luck!
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10 mpg. unacceptable
I have an aluminum cargo trailer 14'x7' v nose single axle, weighs about 2000# that I converted into a camper. I pull it with a chevy traverse. I've had it for a couple years and get 10 mpg. Now I tried vortex generators which didn't improve gas mileage but they did make it more stable. So I put a tail on the trailer. I haven't tried it out yet but I'd sure like to hear any thoughts, suggestions or criticism.
Thanks, I tried to get a picture but the file is too big, any suggestions? |
Stink, you would have much better success by copying this post and starting a new thread in Ecomodding Central or possibly the Aerodynamics section :)
Also, to get a picture uploaded onto EM, use a photo hosting site such as Photobucket, PostImage or onto your EM profile. Then get the direct link from said site, copy and paste link into the Add Pic dialog box and done! If you have more questions, don't hesistate to ask me or one of the other moderators, Daox and MetroMPG, and we will try and help the best we can :) |
Thank you
Hey, thanks for the reply. You should understand that I'm a 60 year old guy, I'm doing this on my iPad, I don't know what a photobucket is,but I looked around on your site and it got me thinking, so I modified my trailer and would like to get a picture (which is worth a thousand words) out and get some opinions.
I"ll see what I can do Thank you. |
Thank you for explaining yourself sir. How about this - send me the picture in email. I will upload it for you later today after work. All I ask is to start a new thread in the aerodynamics section.
I'm PM'ing my email address to you now. You're welcome sir! :) |
Thanks
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Old mod magnets to separate fuel molicules
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The modification that has been proven to make the largest improvement in fuel economy is "adjusting the nut behind the steering wheel". :) |
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If I were a gambler, I would bet 2 weeks' pay that you're banned within 24 hours for your COMPLETELY off-topic spam posts. Just sayin'... Have a nice life. On edit.... Thank you, moderators for keeping these forums clean of spam. |
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