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Hypermiler1995 12-27-2014 11:16 PM

Spotted: big rig with wheel covers and side skirts
 
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went to Mansfield, Mo, today; and saw this.
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It is homemade, the wheel covers are screwed on.
sorry about the pics, click them please!

NeilBlanchard 12-28-2014 07:54 AM

Excellent! Is this a short haul truck? Great to see ecomodding catching on.

Cd 12-28-2014 08:52 AM

Even has a cool 'Mad Max' look to it.

( Which is a good thing, since people tend to worry about looking like a fool to their friends . )

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 12-28-2014 06:02 PM

That makes sense, considering that a commercial operator would see the return of investment kinda quickly.

Cobb 12-28-2014 09:33 PM

Naw, this is likely a private hauler considering both the truck and trailer are eco modded. Ive seen trailers with mods and Ive seen trucks, but never a complete set.

Who ever owns one, owns the other too. :thumbup:

Hypermiler1995 12-28-2014 10:02 PM

Yes, it would be privately owned, but I didn't talk to anyone, so I don't know any more than what I saw.

It had very wide single tires instead of duals, I have heard that that is a good mpg booster for big rigs.

oldtamiyaphile 12-28-2014 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hypermiler1995 (Post 461630)
It had very wide single tires instead of duals, I have heard that that is a good mpg booster for big rigs.

Commonly referred to a 'Super Singles'.

tvbd56 12-29-2014 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Hypermiler1995 (Post 461630)
It had very wide single tires instead of duals, I have heard that that is a good mpg booster for big rigs.

Why would that be?

wdb 12-29-2014 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tvbd56 (Post 461656)
Why would that be?

Less sidewall flex, lower overall weight when compare with dual wheel/tire combo.

I see a lot of skirts around my area, and I'm starting to see pop-out rear extensions too.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...qB77iv8mEuDClg

NeilBlanchard 12-29-2014 09:31 AM

Super singles are also better for aero, I think?

tvbd56 12-30-2014 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by wdb (Post 461660)
Less sidewall flex, lower overall weight when compare with dual wheel/tire combo.

I see a lot of skirts around my area, and I'm starting to see pop-out rear extensions too.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...qB77iv8mEuDClg

Ahh that makes sense. I've also been seeing a lot of side skirts under the trailer and under the cab. I see the aero pop out extensions every once in a blue moon.

HypermilerAX 01-01-2015 02:27 PM

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Saw this last day. Not home-made but I see this aero accessory rarely enough to post it.

renault_megane_dci 01-01-2015 02:34 PM

It does make sense to ecomod any professional vehicle where a ROI can be found.
Should even be mandatory if you ask me ...

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 01-07-2015 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by renault_megane_dci (Post 462037)
Should even be mandatory if you ask me ...

Or trailer designs should be mandated to be more efficient. I really can't understand why not making them in a monocoque design like it's already done with buses, which would make them lighter and more aerodynamic. And nowadays that air suspension is widespread in heavy commercial vehicles, even some fully-independent suspension setup relying in a trailing arm for each wheel (without axles) similar to what is applied to motorcycle rear wheels could be attempted in order to allow for a lower boarding height where it's possible, thus increasing the interior volume of the trailer while keeping its overall height lower.

awcook 01-07-2015 02:14 PM

I've seen a lot of trucks that have the side skirts and wheel covers. It seems to be a much more common practice now than it did a couple months ago. When I went on a road trip to Memphis in October, I didn't see that many trucks with skirts and wheel covers, I think I saw 1. Going down to Biloxi, MS for New Years, we saw tons of trucks with skirts, covers, and rear pop-out things.

Some big rigs could probably benefit from using a teardrop designed trailer if they aren't carrying a large load that would require the box.

HiFlite 01-07-2015 04:49 PM

Trailers still have to have the square back end available for matching with loading docks.

Here's an article on the 10.7 mpg Peterbuilt-Cummins supertruck project ... (part 2 is even more interesting).

Delving Into the Cummins/Peterbilt SuperTruck: Part 1 - Articles - Fuel Smarts - Articles - TruckingInfo.com

Xist 01-07-2015 08:45 PM

http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...3&d=1419740045

http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...4&d=1419740045

http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...5&d=1419740045

http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...5&d=1420140413

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 01-08-2015 02:40 AM

Truck aeromods are not so popular in my country, and many drivers would actually be kinda skeptical about their advantages.

Baltothewolf 01-08-2015 02:46 AM

Man, it seems like every state is way, way behind California. Here is Cali, it's extremely common to see owner-op trucks with wheel covers, front air dams (look like extended bumpers), skirts on the trailers and those boat-tail like extensions on the trailers. I have been seeing this sort of thing for at least 2 years.

You guys have to remember, for a owner-op, the biggest cost of owning a truck is diesel. When they do a long-haul, say from Cali to NY (which isn't uncommon) it's about 6,000 miles(round trip). At 10MPG that's 600 gallons of fuel, or close to 2,000$. If they improve even 1mpg, it would save almost 200$ in fuel. That's quite a bit considering they can make many of those types of trips per year.


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Originally Posted by HiFlite (Post 462716)
Trailers still have to have the square back end available for matching with loading docks.

Here's an article on the 10.7 mpg Peterbuilt-Cummins supertruck project ... (part 2 is even more interesting).

Delving Into the Cummins/Peterbilt SuperTruck: Part 1 - Articles - Fuel Smarts - Articles - TruckingInfo.com

I don't agree with them using aluminum whatsoever on a semi. While it seems like a good idea, truckers run into **** all the time. Do you know how hard it is to work with aluminum? It's not easy. Not to mention not many body shop guys will even touch the stuff because it's so time consuming vs money made.

AbramWagner 01-08-2015 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by wdb (Post 461660)
Less sidewall flex, lower overall weight when compare with dual wheel/tire combo.

I see a lot of skirts around my area, and I'm starting to see pop-out rear extensions too.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...qB77iv8mEuDClg

Been seeing these more but a lot more with just the trailer under skirting.

How the under trailer skirt is angled from inside of the rear wheels makes me think of an insight front fender..

kafer65 01-08-2015 11:33 AM

Living and working close to I-40 skirted and tapered trucks seem abundant in this state to me. I have a frequent flyer that comes through the area often that I readily recognize with covers, skirts, tapers and I noticed he drives slower than most too. Total ecomodder semi! I still think they are lots of huge gaps that I wish they would fill and the side mirrors just offend my modder sensibilities. Surely they can do a BMW i8 thing and duct a partial kammback from the back trailer wheels through the maditory bumper bracket and get some gains there.

Hypermiler1995 01-08-2015 12:01 PM

I think that a half moon shaped piece could be attached to the top of the trailer, and a crescent moon shaped piece to the top of the truck, causing them to fit together like a puzzle piece, and fill the gap between truck and trailer. The shapes of the pieces would allow turning, while keeping the gap filled. Opinions?

AbramWagner 01-08-2015 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Hypermiler1995 (Post 462810)
I think that a half moon shaped piece could be attached to the top of the trailer, and a crescent moon shaped piece to the top of the truck, causing them to fit together like a puzzle piece, and fill the gap between truck and trailer. The shapes of the pieces would allow turning, while keeping the gap filled. Opinions?

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Hypermiler1995 01-08-2015 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AbramWagner (Post 462814)

Yes! That's perfect! (would need a trap door to connect the trailer.)

awcook 01-08-2015 01:36 PM

Along with the side skirts, trucks could also benefit from wheel skirts connecting to the side skirts. Most of the truck drivers here that added wheel skirts saw about a 2 MPG increase. Throw some of that on a big rig, you will likely see a much larger increase.

Trucks could also probably also benefit from increasing tire pressure. I've seen far too many trucks with too low tire pressure (you can see the tire is almost completely flat on the bottom.)

freebeard 01-08-2015 01:50 PM

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Opinions?
To accommodate pitching movement, one part or the other would need to pivot on a transverse line through the 5th-wheel hitch.

aerohead 01-08-2015 04:35 PM

can't understand
 
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Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr (Post 462696)
Or trailer designs should be mandated to be more efficient. I really can't understand why not making them in a monocoque design like it's already done with buses, which would make them lighter and more aerodynamic. And nowadays that air suspension is widespread in heavy commercial vehicles, even some fully-independent suspension setup relying in a trailing arm for each wheel (without axles) similar to what is applied to motorcycle rear wheels could be attempted in order to allow for a lower boarding height where it's possible, thus increasing the interior volume of the trailer while keeping its overall height lower.

Perhaps Sir James Dyson will take up the challenge.He likes to do revolutionary changes in the market.
He will arrive at the solution you've laid out.And he has a multi-billion dollar credit line.

aerohead 01-08-2015 04:48 PM

gap
 
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Originally Posted by Hypermiler1995 (Post 462810)
I think that a half moon shaped piece could be attached to the top of the trailer, and a crescent moon shaped piece to the top of the truck, causing them to fit together like a puzzle piece, and fill the gap between truck and trailer. The shapes of the pieces would allow turning, while keeping the gap filled. Opinions?

If the semi is turning off a thoroughfare and up an incline,into an alley for a delivery,whatever is provided for a gap-filler may be required to compensate for pitch and yaw simultaneously.
The crescents would need to be hinged along with a facility to 'ride' the face of the trailer,top included, while displacing,and provide a means to re-'center' once the turn was complete.
I ran into all these issues with my trailer.

kafer65 01-08-2015 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr (Post 462696)
Or trailer designs should be mandated to be more efficient. I really can't understand why not making them in a monocoque design like it's already done with buses, which would make them lighter and more aerodynamic. And nowadays that air suspension is widespread in heavy commercial vehicles, even some fully-independent suspension setup relying in a trailing arm for each wheel (without axles) similar to what is applied to motorcycle rear wheels could be attempted in order to allow for a lower boarding height where it's possible, thus increasing the interior volume of the trailer while keeping its overall height lower.

I'm not advocating mandates (especially funded federal ones) but I agree a lower boarding height design has been on my mind. I think the current standard is elegant in its simplicity and probably much cheaper to construct and repair OTOH. I was thinking of side structures like the Ariel Atom but curtained smooth. Incentivize the good designs and let the free market adopt:thumbup: Still have to consider the cost of all of the loading docks that would need to be changed.

freebeard 01-08-2015 07:07 PM

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Still have to consider the cost of all of the loading docks that would need to be changed.
That's like making a bazillion wheelchair ramps instead of improving the wheelchairs. With airbagged suspension you can just raise the whole trailer.

kafer65 01-09-2015 10:11 AM

Gets expensive and more complex as you get away from the current design standard quickly doesn't it. You can't get the trailer too low in the middle of the span either or it may have clearance issues with steep grade transitions.
How often have folks seen the single wheel setups in the states as oppposed to the double wheels on the trucks (the truck has 6 wheels instead of 10). I've seen a few new trucks set up that way. Its supposed to be more fuel efficient. Probably cost prohibitive to convert an older vehicle. I haven't seen any with the crosswind baffles in between the cab and trailer yet. I've seen several with a plastic shape on the trailer bottom that looks like a ramp. I assume its for aero? Wonder how much improvement that gleens.

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 01-11-2015 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 462888)
That's like making a bazillion wheelchair ramps instead of improving the wheelchairs. With airbagged suspension you can just raise the whole trailer.

Can also use liftgates which may also be used as a ramp for a more precise levelling to the dock. BTW I have already seen some docks which had built-in retractible ramps.


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