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Taylor95 08-16-2019 11:06 PM

Steel Front Bumper
 
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I have been driving without a front bumper for the last couple of weeks and I have been noticing that it is impacting my fuel mileage. I only average about 21 mpg now, and only around 22-23 mpg on the highway. I am wondering on how much of an improvement that this bumper that I purchased will have over no bumper at all. I will be getting the front hitch receiver however I will be buying a plug for it. I will also be welding a hoop on it for extra protection. For those of you who don't know what that is, I included a picture of one. It is the tube steel that is welded on to the bumper. The one I will be making will not be above the hood, but will look similar. The other difference is that the entire hoop will be made of tube steel.

Taylor95 08-16-2019 11:08 PM

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Here is a better view of a hoop:

aardvarcus 08-17-2019 08:48 AM

I am sure having a bumper there will aerodynamically be better than no bumper, weight will be a reduction for City MPG possibly.

Have you considered mounting sleeves down in the bumper and making the hoop removable. Suppose you're using inch and a half OD tubing for your hoop, you could get some 1/8 wall inch and 3/4 and weld it in the bumper flush with the top and have two pins where you can slide the hoop in and out and pin it.

oil pan 4 08-17-2019 09:17 AM

Just don't put a winch on it.

aerohead 08-17-2019 12:29 PM

how much improvement
 
I suspect that you'll see very little in the way of fuel economy,unless the entire nose of the JEEP were sealed with a wrap-around airdam.There's too much torture chamber still exposed to the air.Total turbulence.
The JEEP Liberty's or Cherokee's front would be an example to aspire to.Get all the air around or under the naughty bits.

Taylor95 08-17-2019 11:48 PM

I'm not sure if a removable hoop is feasible as the bumper only extends like an inch out from the grill. It is a good idea though and I'll know better when my bumper is built.

I'm not sure about the strength of that setup either, which is very important for what the function of the hoop is.

I'm sure a winch is terrible as far as aerodynamics is concerned. I won't get one.

I'm thinking some carefully thought out skid plates will help out a lot, especially because I'll be lifting the Jeep a bit more. I'm not sure if there's much else I can do to the front end but I'll need to think that through once my bumper is on.

Any basic suggestions for skid plates?

me and my metro 08-18-2019 12:03 AM

It depends if your are protecting components or building rock sliders. You should be able to fabricate full belly sliders that are very aero. Just remember to make them removable for maintenance. Our newest Jeep Cherokees at work are very aero underneath but they do not protect anything just aero plastic panels.

aardvarcus 08-18-2019 11:02 AM

I am getting close to starting on mine for my 4runner they are going to be bent 1/4 aluminum plate down the center where strength is needed. Quarter aluminum is what I found cheap on craigslist...

I am planning on lighter materials in less demanding locations.

Taylor95 08-20-2019 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by aardvarcus (Post 604865)
I am getting close to starting on mine for my 4runner they are going to be bent 1/4 aluminum plate down the center where strength is needed. Quarter aluminum is what I found cheap on craigslist...

I am planning on lighter materials in less demanding locations.

Post pictures of you can!

One thing I'm noticing as I'm installing my lift is that the gas tank probably catches a lot of air. I think I could gain a lot by raising it into the cargo area.

aerohead 08-21-2019 10:39 AM

skidplates
 
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Originally Posted by Taylor95 (Post 604857)
I'm not sure if a removable hoop is feasible as the bumper only extends like an inch out from the grill. It is a good idea though and I'll know better when my bumper is built.

I'm not sure about the strength of that setup either, which is very important for what the function of the hoop is.

I'm sure a winch is terrible as far as aerodynamics is concerned. I won't get one.

I'm thinking some carefully thought out skid plates will help out a lot, especially because I'll be lifting the Jeep a bit more. I'm not sure if there's much else I can do to the front end but I'll need to think that through once my bumper is on.

Any basic suggestions for skid plates?

From Hucho's research,the skidplates will be the highest drag configuration.No aerodynamicist would recommend that route.
I suppose the smoothest,most airtight curved bellypan-ish plates would do the minimum damage to airflow.

aardvarcus 08-21-2019 07:36 PM

So how does the air know the difference between skid plates and a belly pan? Many skid plate designs look strikingly similar to what posters on this site are building as belly pans.

Piotrsko 08-23-2019 10:00 AM

Definition difference. A skid plate protects components and is big enough to stop FOD damage if the vehicle strikes things. They may or may not be big enough to cover entire areas. Belly pans can be skid plates if they are thick or strong enough. See Panzer plate.

Taylor95 09-16-2019 05:08 PM

So basically some well designed skid plates would be comparable? I imagine there's a lot of variability in what you could do. From an aerodynamic standpoint you would want air to be directed underneath.

I finally started on my bumper today! It has not been nice driving without a bumper. Surprisingly the design of the bumper I am putting together is more aerodynamic than what I had before, depending on the effect that the hoop will have. I think it will not effect it much because all that air is going through the grill anyway.

aardvarcus 09-17-2019 01:10 PM

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No reason a steel bumper can't be aerodynamic.:thumbup: Do you have a picture or a design sketch?

I got my first belly pan/ skid plate piece made. I also built a hidden front receiver that uses an extension to be able to mount a front recovery point or winch on a cradle. You should consider incorporating a receiver hitch in your design if possible, it gives you flexibility.

Taylor95 09-22-2019 12:35 PM

I'll post a picture of it when it is on my Jeep hopefully this week. It is the same bumper that is pictured in my first post that does not have a hoop. Funny thing is that it will be more aerodynamic than what I had in before

freebeard 09-22-2019 02:06 PM

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For those of you who don't know what that is, I included a picture of one. It is the tube steel that is welded on to the bumper. The one I will be making will not be above the hood, but will look similar.
Baby buggy bumper nerf bar.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/914144.jpg
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/vi...c.php?t=507010

Put the winch on a front hitch reciever.

Taylor95 10-23-2019 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by aardvarcus (Post 606838)
No reason a steel bumper can't be aerodynamic.:thumbup: Do you have a picture or a design sketch?

I got my first belly pan/ skid plate piece made. I also built a hidden front receiver that uses an extension to be able to mount a front recovery point or winch on a cradle. You should consider incorporating a receiver hitch in your design if possible, it gives you flexibility.

It is finally done! I am pretty satisfied with the final product. I still need to install it--i will post pictures when I do.

aardvarcus 10-28-2019 07:51 AM

The bumper looks nice, you did a good job with it.

mattrod 10-29-2019 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by aardvarcus (Post 606838)
No reason a steel bumper can't be aerodynamic.:thumbup: Do you have a picture or a design sketch?

I got my first belly pan/ skid plate piece made. I also built a hidden front receiver that uses an extension to be able to mount a front recovery point or winch on a cradle. You should consider incorporating a receiver hitch in your design if possible, it gives you flexibility.

The skid plate looks solid. How's the addeed weight?

kach22i 10-29-2019 08:59 AM

Nice looking, perhaps a bit heavy duty looking from strictly an aerodynamic vantage point.

Looks like it's intended for a tank - haha. :thumbup:

Taylor95 10-29-2019 06:05 PM

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I finally got the bumper on! I'm quite pleased with it. It is lightweight compared to most off road bumpers--weighing about 60 lbs or so.

On the first drive I noticed a huge drag reduction, which is surprising because I was not expecting a noticeable difference. I caught myself a few times driving faster than normal because it takes less throttle to maintain highway speeds. Going from 60 mph to 70 mph is a lot easier. On my way to work I logged a record trip average--24.2 mpg. This is better than most of my drives to work in the summer time with my old bumper on. Since I didn't notice a difference in driving when I removed my old bumper, I would say that this bumper is a big improvement over before!

kach22i 10-29-2019 06:28 PM

Looks professional.

aardvarcus 10-30-2019 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mattrod (Post 610531)
The skid plate looks solid. How's the addeed weight?

Mattrod,

It is 1/4" aluminum, so it doesn't way that much, especially since I pulled off a stamped steel set of factory splash guards to put it on. I can't tell a difference weight wise, but I will weigh it next time I take it off. It needs some additional bracing behind it before I subject it to any hardcore skidding duties.

Taylor95,

Finished product looks good! Glad the aero is an improvement!


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