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rmay635703 08-13-2018 06:56 AM

Super wood
 
https://curiosity.com/topics/this-ne...eel-curiosity/

Too bad most of these announcements never become reality

We could have wooden cars again

Stubby79 08-13-2018 08:55 AM

:D

freebeard 08-13-2018 02:16 PM

I see that they mention the other super wood — transparent wood — at the end.

Agreed they should be productized post haste.

RedDevil 08-13-2018 02:53 PM

I wonder, considering paper is basically dispersed wood fibers without lignin, whether it wouldn’t be wiser to press packs of paper sheets to create a super wood like material, yet more uniform than when using plain wood?

Piotrsko 08-14-2018 08:43 AM

Would grain orientation be an issue with the paper? Paper is more like OSB than a 2 x 4

rmay635703 08-14-2018 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Piotrsko (Post 576051)
Would grain orientation be an issue with the paper? Paper is more like OSB than a 2 x 4

I have a feeling the “interlocked” grain within wood that isn’t in paper is the key to this discovery since you aren’t breaking the existing connections in the material,

I wonder if this material stays more rigid in one direction than the other?

freebeard 08-14-2018 11:47 AM

Paper is felted, the finishing process may be directional.

How about SuperPlywood?

jamesqf 08-14-2018 03:17 PM

I have to wonder why they think wood won't stop a bullet. Maybe 3/8 plywood won't, but then neither will the sheet steel used in car bodies.

I've dug enough bullets out of trees I cut for firewood to know that they'll penetrate maybe an inch or two into pines. Something at the upper end of the strength/density scale, like mountain mahogany https://www.fs.fed.us/wildflowers/pl...difolius.shtml which is so dense that it doesn't float, and is real good at dulling chainsaw blades?

RedDevil 08-14-2018 07:38 PM

If the cellulose does not rebond across fibers crushed and pushed together it would not get stronger than the original wood in its original thickness, rather weaker as the pressure will do some damage.
So as they claim it is remarkably strong, it must be rebonding. Then it would rebond also if paper was used, and the original direction of the fibers ceases to be important. It becomes one massive block of cellulose.

I still like the idea of using paper as it would facilitate creating complex shapes with controlled thickness. Any excess paper would be sheared off and recycled.

freebeard 08-14-2018 07:42 PM

With the mesoscale structure of the compressed wood, it might be very like Kevlar.

RedDevil 08-14-2018 07:48 PM

Once compacted, it cannot be crushed together any further. A bullet hit will disperse in all directions, increasing the amount of mass involved in stopping the bullet, therefore limiting its progress.

Command troops used strategically positioned sand bags to protect their parachuted lightweight vehicles against mines and gunfire. (The sack under the seat was called the ball saver, after pinball games ;))
Sand has no structural strength whatsoever, but cannot be compressed either. It does catch bullets and whatnot.

Daschicken 08-23-2018 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedDevil (Post 576029)
I wonder, considering paper is basically dispersed wood fibers without lignin, whether it wouldn’t be wiser to press packs of paper sheets to create a super wood like material, yet more uniform than when using plain wood?

Well...Paper tends to....explode when compressed enough. They would have to work around that. :o

RedDevil 08-24-2018 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Daschicken (Post 576949)
Well...Paper tends to....explode when compressed enough. They would have to work around that. :o

Just like wood does if you roll it. It needs to be compressed in some kind of mold so it cannot escape sideways.

California98Civic 08-24-2018 09:00 AM

OFF TOPIC: whenever I see this thread title "Super Wood," I hear Beavis and Butthead giggling saying "hehe, he said 'wood.' "

Varn 12-12-2018 05:21 PM

Super wood, that is Lignum Vitae. It offers better properties than ceramic bearings and lasts longer than many ceramic bearings. Used in power plants and nuclear submarine.

Varn 12-12-2018 05:24 PM

Paper for stopping bullets. Absolutely. It will shred but lasts a long time. We recycle bullets from our berms. The berms are made from pallets filled with old business papers. Last time we tore one down it gave us 73 pounds of lead.

freebeard 12-13-2018 03:50 PM

Interesting stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lignum_vitae#Uses

Quote:

It was the traditional wood used for the British police truncheon until recently, due to its density (and strength), combined with the relative softness of wood compared to metal, thereby tending to bruise or stun rather than simply cut the skin.

The belaying pins and deadeyes aboard USS Constitution and many other sailing ships were made from lignum vitae.
....
The aft main shaft strut bearings for USS Nautilus (SSN-571), the world's first nuclear-powered submarine, were composed of this wood. Also, the bearings in the original 1920s turbines of the Conowingo hydroelectric plant on the lower Susquehanna River were made from lignum vitae. The shaft bearings on the horizontal turbines at the Pointe du Bois generating station in Manitoba are made from lignum vitae. Other hydroelectric plant turbine bearings, many of them still in service, were fabricated with lignum vitae and are too numerous to list here.[8]

Varn 12-13-2018 04:15 PM

Something closer to home with Lignum Vitae.
https://www.hydroworld.com/articles/...ing-rehab.html

A fairly lengthy article describing how the ceramic bearings were wearing out too fast and they were replaced with the original super wood

freebeard 12-14-2018 02:18 PM

What I like about the story is that, as with deep, hot abiotic oil, it's a resource that replenishes slowly and people exceed the replacement rate at their peril.

ASV 12-15-2018 02:35 AM

sounds like an improved version of the compressed wood used in old German war gliders

slowmover 12-16-2018 03:15 PM

Wood is great. Until it gets too hot.

As to lignum vitae, see Ninja Nate for police batons. (A hickory axe handle — mines called Lester after Lester Maddox — just ain’t the same). That cocobolo, wow!

freebeard 12-17-2018 02:09 PM

Only in the presence of oxygen. Iron has the same problem.

Cue the axe-handle scene from Pale Rider.


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