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Old 08-16-2017, 01:41 PM   #191 (permalink)
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I generally wear a coat and lightly insulated leather gloves in the winter when I'm traveling to another heated, indoor location. No risk of freezing to death on my way to the grocery store.

It makes sense to be prepared for the elements in remote locations in the winter, but I'm not driving with snow gloves on.
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Old 08-16-2017, 02:24 PM   #193 (permalink)
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Whether electrically preheating a car is a necessity or a luxury, the fact remains that the ability to do so is an asset to those who would like to use it.
You can't force anyone to use it against their will.
Well maybe the manufacturer can by not allowing the car to drive; if just to protect the plastic trim from damage as it gets brittle with severe cold...
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I would like to be able to preheat the battery pack within its optimal temperature range. Though with a large battery pack (50 kWh is the smallest capacity Tesla offers) and gentle draw during the first miles (residential area, cautious driving in slippery conditions) it would not really be necessary.
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I would like to be able to preheat the battery pack within its optimal temperature range.
I believe the Bolt does this. It will maintain the battery within a temperature range as long as it has more than 1/3 state of charge, or is plugged in.
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Old 08-16-2017, 03:52 PM   #195 (permalink)
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Otherwise what happens when you get stranded for some reason? You freeze to death.
What happens when you drive into field-fire smoke when you can't see the other side?

Smoky 21-vehicle pileup kills 7 on I-5 (from the archives, 1988) | OregonLive.com

Not pre-heating the seats won't affect the outcome.

James Kim was a statistical outlier; made multiple bad decisions and got Darwinated. His wife stuck with the (cold) vehicle and was rescued.
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Whether electrically preheating a car is a necessity or a luxury, the fact remains that the ability to do so is an asset to those who would like to use it.
You can't force anyone to use it against their will.
Well maybe the manufacturer can by not allowing the car to drive; if just to protect the plastic trim from damage as it gets brittle with severe cold...
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I would like to be able to preheat the battery pack within its optimal temperature range. Though with a large battery pack (50 kWh is the smallest capacity Tesla offers) and gentle draw during the first miles (residential area, cautious driving in slippery conditions) it would not really be necessary.
Battery packs that need to be heated - already do this automatically. For our 2015 Leaf, it is most important to heat the battery during charging - and it does this.

I actually don't mind wearing a coat and gloves (and hat if needed) inside the car - because that is how you have to dress to be outside in cold weather. You're out of the wind, and heated seats are quite nice, and they take virtually nothing away from range.

Heating the battery, though, does become noticeable when it gets really cold. Low teens and below, the range is affected.

The ONLY time you need to use the heater - is to keep the windows clear, or to melt ice.
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All of the early model 3's will be loaded and the higher range.
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Two ranges- Long and Extra Long. Kind of like a pizza shop that sells medium and large.
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Two ranges- Long and Extra Long. Kind of like a pizza shop that sells medium and large.
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