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Xist 06-09-2018 12:33 PM

Tesla Model Why?
 
Is this supposed to be a crossover or have they even admitted that much yet? It looks like a cross between the 3 and the X and the only other things they have indicated so far is that they do not know where they plan on building it (so the factory might not exist yet) and it does not have mirrors: https://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model...ops-1826599630

thingstodo 06-10-2018 11:44 AM

Compact cross-over is what sticks in my head. But people talk so much about what Tesla and Elon are doing .. not sure if it was a rumor or a quote or a press release.

It was likely a tweet?

19bonestock88 06-10-2018 02:43 PM

You’d think that Tesla would concentrate on filling orders that it has for the 3(even at a loss) before expanding to a crossover... but of course, a crossover would be much more profitable than a sedan, soooo...

samwichse 06-10-2018 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 19bonestock88 (Post 571741)
You’d think that Tesla would concentrate on filling orders that it has for the 3(even at a loss) before expanding to a crossover... but of course, a crossover would be much more profitable than a sedan, soooo...

New models don't just appear like mushrooms after a rain. There's a long lead time for RnD. Even if they're still gearing up their current new model, the next model BETTER be in the works or they would stuck with a several year gap after it is profitable where they won't be able to compete in the CUV market.

Likewise, designers are different than production engineers. After the new model goes from one step to the next, they don't just fire the whole design group because they're not needed...

ME_Andy 06-10-2018 07:07 PM

I'm cool with a Tesla crossover. If they put falcon wing doors on it, I'm out, though.

NeilBlanchard 06-11-2018 12:51 PM

The Model Y is to the Model X - what the Model 3 is to the Model S.

Unfortunately, they are talking about putting Falcon doors on the Model Y. Which nixes any roof racks, and complicates the production - and the structure.

Xist 06-17-2018 06:04 PM

Tesla built a new factory! It is in tents in one of their parking lots! :) https://jalopnik.com/tesla-adds-thir...-hu-1826901306

freebeard 06-26-2018 04:29 PM

https://i1.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-con...trip=all&ssl=1
https://electrek.co/2018/06/25/cybor...sla-elon-musk/

Needs more this.

gone-ot 06-26-2018 07:21 PM

Elon Musk getting into "MAD MAX" movies/TV-shows now?

freebeard 06-27-2018 11:09 AM

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=gambler+500&ia=images

aerostealth 10-25-2018 02:54 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHHEJzyqTYM&t=782s

Watch this 20 minute Now You Know video and you will come to understand why Tesla is shaking up the legacy car makers and just how much trouble they are really in.

jjackstone 10-25-2018 12:26 PM

I agree that Tesla is shaking up the industry and scaring the old school manufacturers. However we know that the model 3 had a back order level of approximately 400,000 vehicles. What remains to be seen is will the demand still be there after all the back orders are filled. How many vehicles are they producing per week now? I though I read 8000 but that may have been total vehicles. Regardless, the current waiting list should be cleared in a year or so and then we can see if the staying power is there. And I for one certainly hope so. JJ

redpoint5 10-25-2018 01:01 PM

I've said it before, but Tesla has lots of ways to keep production output at full. Once they clear out the reservation backlog, which will take about a year and a half, they can open up international markets gradually, to take up the weakening domestic demand. Then it will be a couple years to fulfill that backlog of demand.

Within 4 years, the Model Y will be production ready. That will create the whole demand backlog again, and the whole cycle repeats, which keeps production capacity at nearly full speed the entire time, maximizing profit margins.

4 years from now, EVs will likely account for more than the current 1% of new sales.

freebeard 10-25-2018 02:21 PM

“The best way to predict your future is to create it.”
― Abraham Lincoln

jamesqf 10-25-2018 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jjackstone (Post 582312)
What remains to be seen is will the demand still be there after all the back orders are filled.

There have to be a good number of people like me, who wouldn't go on a reservation list to get a car (or anything!) some years from now, but who might buy one if it was available right away.

redpoint5 10-25-2018 02:54 PM

A Tesla might be in my future, but it would be a used one, at least 4 years old. I'm thinking with the federal tax credit phasing out over the next year for both Tesla and GM, now might be the low price point to jump in, with used EVs perhaps slightly appreciating in value once the credits expire.

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 582327)
“The best way to predict your future is to create it.”
― Abraham Lincoln

I like Jack Nicholson from The Departed, though it scares me that I like it:

Quote:

I don't want to be a product of my environment. I want my environment to be a product of me.

freebeard 10-25-2018 04:55 PM

I've had a reservation down on an Arcimoto FUV for two years now. It would be the first new vehicle I'd have ever boughten.

All because it falls into the chasm between a bicycle and a car.

jamesqf 10-26-2018 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 582332)
A Tesla might be in my future, but it would be a used one, at least 4 years old.

Only if someone reverse-engineers the system, and figures out how to get ride of all the self-driving stuff, and replace the touch screen with physical controls.

Though what I'd prefer (given enough time & money) is to take the battery & motors from a wrecked Tesla, and put them in either in something like a Miata, or a vehicle of my own design. I'm just not a 4-door sedan kind of guy :-)

Fat Charlie 10-26-2018 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 19bonestock88 (Post 571741)
You’d think that Tesla would concentrate on filling orders that it has for the 3(even at a loss) before expanding to a crossover... but of course, a crossover would be much more profitable than a sedan, soooo...

I don't think throwing the designers and developers onto the factory floor is going to speed up production.

freebeard 10-26-2018 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesqf
Though what I'd prefer (given enough time & money) is to take the battery & motors from a wrecked Tesla, and put them in either in something like a Miata, or a vehicle of my own design.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBSA...ature=youtu.be

The most utilitarian and versatile vehicle is the double-cabin VW. The Vanagon variant has a wheel bolt pattern the same as the Tesla so the wheels bolt right up to the suspension. FYI — same as Mercedes-Benz. You can put Mercedes wheels on a Vanagon.

thingstodo 10-26-2018 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesqf (Post 582372)
Only if someone reverse-engineers the system, and figures out how to get ride of all the self-driving stuff, and replace the touch screen with physical controls.

Though what I'd prefer (given enough time & money) is to take the battery & motors from a wrecked Tesla, and put them in either in something like a Miata, or a vehicle of my own design. I'm just not a 4-door sedan kind of guy :-)

It is *MUCH* easier up here (Canada) to get a conversion certified and insured than a full-custom vehicle.

I'm presently struggling with the requirement to vent the battery case outside the vehicle. If the batteries short out, or overheat, or whatever ... and vent electrolyte ... it has to go outside the vehicle. So if the battery is inside the cabin, it needs to be sealed and vented. This is a bit of a struggle with a self-designed pack. It might be easier to re-task a leaf pack instead. I'm trying to get mock-ups of recycled vehicle packs to fit .. somehow ..

Piotrsko 10-27-2018 11:07 AM

They dont vent much electrolyte unless it is combusting. The flames are what needs to be vented preferably somewhere you are not.

I suggest Volt packs, or spark packs. Some have luck with Kia packs.

thingstodo 10-27-2018 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Piotrsko (Post 582455)
They dont vent much electrolyte

That's good!

And we're talking government rules and regulations here .. nothing practical.

The initial idea may have started out to keep occupants safe, but after it goes through a few bureaucrats, the initial issue is lost. A bunch of extra rules are added by people justifying their own jobs ... and perhaps it is a bit safer in the end.

Piotrsko 10-28-2018 10:47 AM

Remember he designed his first packs just after the laptop battery fire fiasco/recall, and was using "laptop" batteries. I think there were also a couple of volt battery issues then so fire venting got real important until battery technology mellowed out.

JSH 10-28-2018 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thingstodo (Post 582408)
It is *MUCH* easier up here (Canada) to get a conversion certified and insured than a full-custom vehicle.

I'm presently struggling with the requirement to vent the battery case outside the vehicle. If the batteries short out, or overheat, or whatever ... and vent electrolyte ... it has to go outside the vehicle. So if the battery is inside the cabin, it needs to be sealed and vented. This is a bit of a struggle with a self-designed pack. It might be easier to re-task a leaf pack instead. I'm trying to get mock-ups of recycled vehicle packs to fit .. somehow ..

That requirement probably dates to the days when conversions used flooded lead-acid batteries. Those batteries vent hydrogen while charging so venting flammable gas to the outside makes sense.

Xist 04-12-2019 08:38 AM

Are they still working on this?

JSH 04-12-2019 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xist (Post 595850)
Are they still working on this?

Yes. It was shown to the public about a month ago and scheduled to go on sale 4th quarter 2020. It is a hatchback based on the Model 3

https://i.redd.it/wwzs7v674xm21.jpg


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