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sgtlethargic 04-09-2020 02:07 PM

Tesla plaid Cybertruck
 
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Ignoring the flared fenders, is this aerodynamic?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tes...50-raptor/amp/

freebeard 04-09-2020 11:48 PM

There's a lot of debate over the stock Cybertruck.

IIRC the front diverter adds downforce with minimal added drag, just from the downward pressure of air piling up at the stagnation point.

The trapeziodal wheel arches are prolly suboptimal. No Moon disks.

That trapezoid of light behind the offside tire suggests suboptimal bellypanning.

Hersbird 04-10-2020 09:15 AM

Keep in mind, that's just somebody's silly photochop not any image from Tesla. If the Cybertruck has something beyond the tri motor already announced, that is the question. The tri motor is already the layout for the upcoming other plaid versions of Teslas and the purpose is to do torque vectoring to help cornering. Now if they are going for a Raptor fighter, what they need is long travel suspension with massive shocks that won't boil with long high speed off road running. The problem will be that the 3 motor long range Cybertruck will be a good 1500 pounds heavier and that's a lot of energy to dissipate.
What would be cool (and any talk about Tesla's future products you get to completely make stuff up as you go like rocket assist or underwater mode) is if the shocks were actually electrical generators and you got some energy back with all the wild wheel travel.

So a Raptor isn't about being fast on a track or in a straight line, there are other trucks that are better in that area, it's also not about slow, rock crawling type off road travel, the Powerwagon or Commander Rubicon is better, it would be about high speed desert racing style truck.
Ram also has a new Hellcat powered 707 hp wide body Rebel truck coming soon. That truck is going to be the new pinnacle in pickup craziness.

aerohead 04-10-2020 11:37 AM

aerodynamic
 
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Originally Posted by sgtlethargic (Post 621264)
Ignoring the flared fenders, is this aerodynamic?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tes...50-raptor/amp/

'Aerodynamic' would only construe that Cybertruck is either acted upon by its atmospheric environment,or acts upon its atmospheric environment.Trees,boulders,and deserts are aerodynamic.
Other than that,we'd need context.

Vman455 04-10-2020 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hersbird (Post 621319)
Keep in mind, that's just somebody's silly photochop not any image from Tesla. If the Cybertruck has something beyond the tri motor already announced, that is the question.

Exactly. And what's more, this is entirely based on a single tweet wherein Elon said he will drive a Plaid Cybertruck. No other context.

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Originally Posted by aerohead (Post 621333)
'Aerodynamic' would only construe that Cybertruck is either acted upon by its atmospheric environment,or acts upon its atmospheric environment.Trees,boulders,and deserts are aerodynamic.
Other than that,we'd need context.

"Aerodynamic" is probably the single most-misused word in the entire body of automotive writing.

Hersbird 04-10-2020 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by aerohead (Post 621333)
'Aerodynamic' would only construe that Cybertruck is either acted upon by its atmospheric environment,or acts upon its atmospheric environment.Trees,boulders,and deserts are aerodynamic.
Other than that,we'd need context.

I always love to hear how somebody made some product chemical free. So it's made with happy thoughts and light? I saw a water filter that claimed to filter out all chemicals. So it's more like a vacuum tube?

aerohead 04-10-2020 03:58 PM

filter out all
 
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Originally Posted by Hersbird (Post 621386)
I always love to hear how somebody made some product chemical free. So it's made with happy thoughts and light? I saw a water filter that claimed to filter out all chemicals. So it's more like a vacuum tube?

I'd like to see them drink from a can of PVC solvent, Tetrahydrofuran.
The packaging,manufacturing facility,energy to manufacture, raw material,energy to get it to the store shelf was probably sourced from happy thoughts and light as well.:rolleyes:

sgtlethargic 04-11-2020 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by aerohead (Post 621333)
'Aerodynamic' would only construe that Cybertruck is either acted upon by its atmospheric environment,or acts upon its atmospheric environment.Trees,boulders,and deserts are aerodynamic.
Other than that,we'd need context.


What's the issue? This is an aerodynamics (of vehicles) forum.

sgtlethargic 04-11-2020 11:14 PM

It looks like the basic shape could be pretty aerodynamic, but it's all straight lines. It makes me think Tesla had two things on their mind: (1) "Look, we can make it aerodynamic and angular" and (2) "This will be much easier to stamp." It's very different from the other Teslas, which are very curvy. I doubt Tesla neglected aerodynamics on this plaid version, whatever that is. It looks better than the regular Cybertruck (I didn't compare, so maybe they're very similar), but I don't care for the flared fenders.

* Ehh, it looks the same except for the flares.

freebeard 04-11-2020 11:36 PM

It sounds like aerohead has been drinking Tetrahydrofuran straight from the can. :)

Vman455 04-12-2020 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sgtlethargic (Post 621482)
What's the issue? This is an aerodynamics (of vehicles) forum.

The issue is with the terminology. "Aerodynamic" means "moving air." Does it exist in moving air? If yes, then it is aerodynamic. Buildings are aerodynamic. People are aerodynamic. Neither are more or less aerodynamic than cars, Plaid or otherwise.

So, the question "Is this aerodynamic?" can only be answered: yes, and so is everything else. If you want to know something specific, such as "Is this shape low drag?" or "Does this shape produce low lift?", those are the questions you should ask. (That's what aerohead means by "context").

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Originally Posted by sgtlethargic (Post 621483)
It looks like the basic shape could be pretty aerodynamic, but it's all straight lines. It makes me think Tesla had two things on their mind: (1) "Look, we can make it aerodynamic and angular" and (2) "This will be much easier to stamp." It's very different from the other Teslas, which are very curvy. I doubt Tesla neglected aerodynamics on this plaid version, whatever that is. It looks better than the regular Cybertruck (I didn't compare, so maybe they're very similar), but I don't care for the flared fenders.

* Ehh, it looks the same except for the flares.

This photoshop is not the Plaid version; it's a fan edit. We do not know what it would look like because, beyond a throwaway line in a tweet, Tesla has not released any information on it.

sgtlethargic 04-12-2020 07:13 PM

The context is this Aerodynamics forum.

There are several threads here with "aerodynamic" in the title.

The definition:

aer·o·dy·nam·ic
/ˌerōˌdīˈnamik/

adjective

1. relating to aerodynamics.
"aerodynamic forces"

**** 2. of or having a shape which reduces the drag from air moving past.
"the plane has a more aerodynamic shape" ****
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The "Aerodynamic Streamlining Template."

freebeard 04-12-2020 07:32 PM

All this contention over words. :(

Is this Plaid enough?

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/wp-con...r-730x430.jpeg
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/wp-con...r-730x430.jpeg

sgtlethargic 04-12-2020 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 621535)

I think that's much more argyle, in this context. :D

freebeard 04-15-2020 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by myself
It sounds like aerohead has been drinking Tetrahydrofuran straight from the can.

I'm starting to worry. It's been five days.

aerohead 04-15-2020 11:58 AM

aerodynamics
 
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Originally Posted by sgtlethargic (Post 621482)
What's the issue? This is an aerodynamics (of vehicles) forum.

Again,your question is meaningless.I invite you to ponder your question and see if you can re-phrase it in a manner in which we can respond more specifically.
I believe I understand your question,however,I want you to understand how important it is in 2020,that we communicate with specificity.

aerohead 04-15-2020 12:12 PM

basic shape
 
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Originally Posted by sgtlethargic (Post 621483)
It looks like the basic shape could be pretty aerodynamic, but it's all straight lines. It makes me think Tesla had two things on their mind: (1) "Look, we can make it aerodynamic and angular" and (2) "This will be much easier to stamp." It's very different from the other Teslas, which are very curvy. I doubt Tesla neglected aerodynamics on this plaid version, whatever that is. It looks better than the regular Cybertruck (I didn't compare, so maybe they're very similar), but I don't care for the flared fenders.

* Ehh, it looks the same except for the flares.

Now your question is improving!
The basic shape of Cybertruck is an industry leader.It will be the lowest drag pickup ever offered for sale or lease.
In reality,there's not a 'straight' surface on Cybertruck,except for its belly.
The 'Plaid' version shown,with extreme wheelhouse mutilation would be an entirely different proposition.I give it four thumbs down.

freebeard 04-17-2020 03:52 PM

Rust never sleeps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS_l0qMgUv0
Include the sparse history of stainless steel cars.


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