test drove a leaf
 

It was interesting, 100hp and heavy, but all electric, merging and acceleration were perfectly adequate, and it held on in the corners just fine. The experience was very much like an oversized golf cart (that can do 90mph with lots of creature comforts). It took a while before I stopped treating the throttle as an on-off switch, without the angry engine sound there is less restraint initially, and your indicated speed can catch you off guard. But otherwise quiet is very nice, just a relatively minor rpm dependent high frequency whine from the motor, NVH is pretty far down on my list of priorities though. Gas is probably still to cheap for it to make economic payback sense, so I'll probably keep on the diy beer budget+ path for now, but now I have a feel for that power/weight data point anyway.

tesla S looks like more than twice the power to weight, and my el-cheapo bike conversion is hopefully 3 times the power to weight (with rider), so that is encouraging :)

Economic arguments aside, inside a Leaf really is a nice place to be. It is so relaxing/care free to drive that it becomes just another appliance. If I was silly enough to have a longer commute, it would be my appliance of choice.

I was amazed by the lack of noise. It is SO quiet, all I heard was the crunch of rocks under the tires. And, I'm used to EV mode in the Prius which is already pretty darn quiet.

Yah, if I was in actual need of a car, it would have come home with me (and I could get a new hobby). Easily would fill the bill for 99% of my driving and the minivan can handle the rest. Otherwise it is back to EV as hobby.

The things about living with an EV that you can't get from a test drive:

It is fully charged every morning and you never have to go to a gas station.

It doesn't have to warm up, so short hops are fine.

I think the (seemingly) effortless acceleration is much better than "adequate". Passing a vehicle is much easier and more rapid than anything I have driven before.

That is what my v65 sabre is for (0-60 in 3 seconds) :). But pretty sure even my prius would take the leaf in 0-60 or 1/4 mile (at least according to google and my own experience)... Acceleration isn't really a selling point here, but the leaf is a perfectly practical car for almost all my errands (I'm happy with a clutch and 3 cylinders for that, or 1, or even 50kw).

It is the 0-35MPH of most EV's that is confidence-building. I rode a motorcycle for close to 100K miles, and even then - you have to be in the right gear.

That's never been a problem for me, it is automatic muscle memory after day 1.

Also worth noting that the prius puts 67hp of electric power to the wheels through mg2 (fed from engine torque->mg1 and the battery), and has the engine spooled up for the rest of the power split to the wheels (and weighs 500lbs less) so it can get moving pretty well too.

fyi, a 2012 leaf followed me home :) When gas is $2/gallon is actually a good time to buy an EV! It does take a lot of finesse to get good miles/kwh numbers though, still learning. The occasional tromp for merging doesn't seem to hurt too much, but the heater does (need to get a better charger and climate timer sorted).

Would like to figure out how to emergency quick charge it with the prius...

I got a lot of that from my test drive 5 years ago, but the combination Ford Focus interior and 35 grand price tag turned me off. Maybe if it had recaro seats or a better dash layout.

a 2012 can be had for 13k with no effort, really makes a conversion look like work. It is funny but i do not appreciate any of the creature comforts :) I'd be happy with manual crank windows, but instead I have butt warmers and steering warmers and a stupid data sharing button I have to cancel on every time I get in. And a tilt switch for the headlights?!? random songs playing from my phone via bluetooth? I just want to get from point A to B. Anyway there is easily 10's of thousands in unnecessary crap, no argument there. Sooner or later that crap will start breaking.

Excellent! Dress warmly, and only use the defroster when you have to.

I guess you can remove, unplug, and sell a lot of the stuff that isnt needed?

2012 for 13 g's? I might have to visit a Nissan dealer to check this out. :thumbup:

Woo, congrats on the new Leaf. I'd love to have one...

I like it, so far 115v charger has been all I've needed, but I will get 240/juicebox/preheat sorted soon. Been reading neils thread, neutral is a good tip as is double tap for eco regen. And a coat/gloves certainly do help range a good bit :) It can pull pretty good when you need it, but mostly driving on 1-3 dots or coasting or eco regen.