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aerohead 09-19-2015 02:43 PM

testing aero. of a caravan
 
Ran across these on You-Tube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=karGqjCZOV8

chefdave 09-19-2015 04:51 PM

Thats a very dirty wake. Must be room for huge improvement

aerohead 09-19-2015 04:55 PM

huge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chefdave (Post 494012)
Thats a very dirty wake. Must be room for huge improvement

NASA says kill the gap,then boat tail it.

chefdave 09-19-2015 05:11 PM

Would a kammback help if boat tail is too long

Hersbird 09-19-2015 08:30 PM

What about that "part 2" video with the topper? Is that better or worse?
https://youtu.be/sweZltfD-no

freebeard 09-19-2015 09:44 PM

I'd go with different. They missed a bet not putting the two videos one above the other and matched in speed.

It's interesting to watch the lines approach from the left. There's some initial noise that damps down to straight lines, but they aren't erased so it obscures the initial approach. There appears to be turbulence building up ahead of the rooftop container, it might be caused by the airgap between the topper and roof.

The topper seems to create a locked in rolling vortex ahead of the trailer, similar to a half-tonneau cover on a pickup.

What do you think about the area above and behind the trailer? With the container the disturbed air rises higher, even out of the rendered flow lines, but it looked somehow more orderly to me.

aerohead 09-21-2015 03:25 PM

kammback
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chefdave (Post 494020)
Would a kammback help if boat tail is too long

Technically speaking,a K-form tail (Kamm-back) is just a shortened ideal tail (boat-tail),or vice versa.
Here you can see how Koenig-Kamm experimented with different lengths of this K-form at the FKFS,next door to Daimler-Benz in Stuttgart.
http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...titled5_17.jpg

aerohead 09-21-2015 03:43 PM

topper
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hersbird (Post 494033)
What about that "part 2" video with the topper? Is that better or worse?
https://youtu.be/sweZltfD-no

My gut feeling is that this is a low-cost,2-dimentional CFD program,that they don't achieve a critical Reynolds number flow,and while interesting to watch,and trends may be reflected,we'd want an expensive,corporate-level,3-D program to provide a more real-world representation of how things would be.
I don't think the streamline filaments would behave the way they're depicted.

aerohead 09-21-2015 04:02 PM

above and behind
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 494039)
I'd go with different. They missed a bet not putting the two videos one above the other and matched in speed.

It's interesting to watch the lines approach from the left. There's some initial noise that damps down to straight lines, but they aren't erased so it obscures the initial approach. There appears to be turbulence building up ahead of the rooftop container, it might be caused by the airgap between the topper and roof.

The topper seems to create a locked in rolling vortex ahead of the trailer, similar to a half-tonneau cover on a pickup.

What do you think about the area above and behind the trailer? With the container the disturbed air rises higher, even out of the rendered flow lines, but it looked somehow more orderly to me.

I'm not really convinced that we're seeing flow as it would actually occur.
Here are some comparison images
http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...titled10_9.jpg
http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...ntitled8_9.jpg
http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...head2/2239.jpg
http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...head2/2234.jpg
http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...head2/2226.jpg
http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...ohead2/227.jpg
http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...d2/06-2835.jpg
http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...Untitled-5.jpg
http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...titled8_10.jpg
http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...itled10_10.jpg

darcane 09-21-2015 04:26 PM

After watching it, YouTube offered up this gem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0577mRifVfI

Improved aero over most trailers, but the really interesting thing is the hydraulic lowering by rotating the entire suspension assembly.

freebeard 09-22-2015 12:32 AM

That's actually kinda neat. The lowrider and extreme camber crowds will see the utility. Lay frame.

http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...head2/2239.jpg

This is quite literally the proverbial 'blue smoke and mirrors', but what it puts me in mind of is polarized light. If you have a material that varies in thickness between two polarizing filters at an angle to each other white light gets bent into various colors. Water might work better than air. Even if the wavelength only varies by a few angstroms a high resolution capture with false color imaging should allow you to view a run from some narrow angle.

Circular water tunnel and orbiting polarizer. Filters displaceable in the longitudinal direction for 3/4 front and rear views.

freebeard 10-11-2015 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myself
...polarized light...

Replying to myself again. I can't link into the middle of a Youtube video, but at 8m08s in it talks about Boeing's wind tunnel with an array of 100 microphone that listen to the air flowing over the aeroform.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D43tP4PtPLU

gone-ot 10-11-2015 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 496252)
Replying to myself again. I can't link into the middle of a Youtube video, but at 8m08s in it talks about Boeing's wind tunnel with an array of 100 microphone that listen to the air flowing over the aeroform.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D43tP4PtPLU

There's a formula for estimating the sound (HZ) waves created by air turbulence over smooth surfaces...works on the nutating (left/right and up/down) wanderings of the air pressures as they are created within the air turbulence. I'd guess that's what the microphones are listening for.

This Wiki illustration shows *how* this sonic (Von Karman vortex) nutation occurs:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...-animation.gif

from this Wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A..._vortex_street


https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/...48ee53b56a.png

where "ƒ·d/V" is called the "Strouhal Number" and:

f = vortex shedding frequency
d = diameter of cylinder
V = flow velocity

A published UK workshop presentation: http://wwwf.imperial.ac.uk/ssherw/bb..._Meneghini.pdf

...and a NASA paper: https://info.aiaa.org/tac/ASG/FDTC/D...-1218-1989.pdf

aerohead 10-12-2015 05:23 PM

listening
 
In the movie,"Who Killed the Electric Car," there is a brief sequence shot inside the GM wind tunnel,of Dr.Paul MacCready 'listening' to the boundary layer of the GM/AeroVironment 'Sunraycer' electric race car.
Paul was using the static pressure tap of a Pitot tube with a stethoscope to hear the 'rustle' when the LBL transitioned over to TBL.Clever!
Perhaps unidirectional microphones can discern the same thing.Cool!:thumbup:

freebeard 10-13-2015 01:34 AM

The Boeing wind tunnel has 100 microphones (on at least one traveling pickup) so they can create a virtual three-dimensional model of the sound waves. They demonstrate that the areas of concern are the landing gear and control surfaces, especially in the gaps that open up when a flap or elevron articulates.


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