They're watching you...
 

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It's here. (in the USA)

By executive order.

And you probably haven't heard about it, yet.


The government is now building a DHS License Plate Database.


We already have speeding and red light cameras. Snap shot for Insurance companies. Transponders for tolls and RFID chipped drivers license's. Data loggers (black box) and real time GPS monitoring like GM's "On Star".

And there are many more things that identify and monitor our behaviors.

Some are chosen by the consumer.

And, some are forced upon us.

What's next...???

When is enough, enough...???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9eh4tjVv7c[/url]

BIG brother is getting BIGGER.

"1984" is so like 30-years ago...

Not saying I'm for this but... Its a license plate. It is there and has been from the begining to track the vehicle. It is entered into the registration database the moment you register the vehicle. Any (law?) officer has been able to do this with a radio call, and more recently computer query, since the begining.
Most police cruisers around here have cameras that photograph every plate, all the time, and have for years.

^This is different. Now it's like a quasi-bug or GPS tracking without the court sanctioned permit, with every movement monitored and not only that, the data can be stored indefinitely.

correction. :mad:

<- googles "city-sized magnetic pulse generator"

Choose your city wisely.

Have any of you noticed what looks like a double-helix running down the middle of license plates? I wondered if it was at all related to this. It actually sounds like a good thing:

http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawe...yyyxEE37YYYYX-

It is a product by 3M that is supposed to deter counterfeiting, like with currency.

Hopefully this was more relevant and interesting than normal. :)

Right, I'm sure there's a HUUUUUGE problem with plate counterfeiting. :rolleyes:

The key words are at the end: PROTECTING REVENUE.

Frank, I agree. But that's not the end of the story. This is not just about money, it's about wielding total power over every aspect of our lives that is regulated by gubberment, and expanding that power as much as the populace will allow. The government prints "our money". But it literally must buy influence or preferably convince the masses to keep voting one of the two major political parties into power.

Unfortunately, we now live in a society that is increasingly docile, unwilling and incapable of thinking and questioning authority. Once the masses are willing to bear anything imposed upon them, we will get what we deserve.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule."

This is nothing new, plate scanning is common for parking enforcement and such.Hell, I work for the gov and all of their vehicles have plate scanner setups.

You want to piss your parts? Get a camera capable of seeing IR light and turn it to the sky at night. 3rd generation night vision or even a cheap cell phone camera can spot the DRONES already in use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGxNyaXfJsA

Now couple this with the DHS License Plate Database...


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Back in the 70's the Philly parking enforcement used cameras to identify violators. Trouble was people from the other end of the state were getting parking tickets. The poodoo really hit the fan when the mayor of Pittsburgh got a bogus parking ticket. We drive a silver Dodge Caravan and it is always a treat finding the right one in the parking lot. Imagine if the people who have the same make and color of car decided to swap license plates for a few days at a time:) Soon we can all wear hoodies and Halloween masks in public. Having someone use your debit card could be a dandy alibi. NCIS LA is one of my favorite shows. Think how to use the systems to your advantage.

Sorry, but the "doubting Thomas" in me says, "...sounds more like DHS is just going 'underground' with their plans rather than 'public' with them."

Great... However, this will not just go away. With the current uproar about NSA wrong doings, it was taken off the front burner and more than likely moved to simmer on the back burner, just waiting to be deployed at a later date.

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Hope my plates don't get stolen.
Nothing can be done to stop this. You have no reasonable expectation of privacy for what can be viewed from a legal vantage point (tracking included). REP is nearly zero with vehicles.
This is a peeve of mine, so I'll stop it right here before it turns into a complete rant about it (or sucked into the whole drones, public vantage point, curtilage, and the line between heaven and hell side topic).

The thing that keeps me up the most at night is that they can now frame and convict you and catch you if you try and run no matter what you do.

Cell phones, no matter how old, are government mandated tracking devices.
Tablets with cellular chips, or simply ones with wifi enabled are tracking devices now that google records and tracks wifi AP names.
Windows XP-Windows 7-8 based computers are tracking devices, pretty clear cut there, the only Windows OS I trust to not have a backdoor is Win NT.

So even if you do run, there is no where to hide.

ALL of this technology is moving towards one thing, the ability of any government official with access to this amount of data to simply enter in your full name, and date of birth, into a computer, and let the computer find you.

Even if you have no modern gadgets, moder cars today still have them built in.
Even if you have a classic car, the number plate is still there and as soon as you drive past a speed camera or a surveilance camera, your plate enters into a database.

Road spikes to take out car tyres, even if you have run flat tyres they can knock you off the road.

All of this to me feels like they are building up towards a prison system for the public at large, and that prison system is probably going to be used to silently cull under the guise of a disease breakout.

Its either that the governments aren't telling us for our own good that the world is going to run out of food rather abruptly sometime in the future, OR that we are all being set up for harvesting for space aliens. :(

I for one will enjoy bob on a stick, either that or go fishing. :thumbup:

I however promise not to eat anybody who is still alive.

All I know for sure however is that I am on the right forum for surviving what is to come. Fuel economy is going to become a HUGE issue when stuff hits the fan, nevermind all of these 4x4's running around and running over people, they will be running out of fuel first.

And imagine this scenario, you are coming home from work and the petrol stations are over run, something has gone horribly wrong, nobody can get fuel, you however are sitting on 3/4 full and can just simply drive straight home, where it is safest.

I however strongly recommend that people here install either fuel cells inside of their car (and leave them empty, fuel cells leak.) or get two metal jerry cans and leave them on their property at all times, with fuel no older than 6 months. Also you can go the drastic measure of putting a crash plate over your fuel tank so nobody can drill into the fuel tank (this is what they do in europe to steal fuel.)

If you don't have fuel in your car then you aren't going anywhere, and if you do manage to find some it may only be a litre or two, which in the right car can take you anywhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRes1zks3DM

mmm sushi bob.

...V for Vendetta, the movie.

You also have no reasonable expectation of privacy on the phone, in your snail mail, emails, and texts, walking down the street, gassing up at the station, cashing your check at the bank, buying cat food at a store, sleeping in your bed at home, posting on fuel saving forums, or surfing porn on the net.

That's OK though, because the USA is the greatest country on Earth, what with all the freedom and stuff.

As one eluded to before, it's not over. I doubt it was just going to start when they posted it. Why wouldn't they just do it? What are we going to do to stop it, or get away?

Frustrating, and I doubt it will ever be offered as an alibi...only to condemn.

You only have to be afraid if you have something to hide.

Until they change the rules and suddenly you're on the wrong side of the line.

What's that supposed to mean? What line?
If you are a law abiding citizen, more surveillance will not affect you.

THATS the line
 

You are a law abiding citizen untill a law is set that you knowingly or unknowingly break.
I would say 97% of Americans break a law each day. I dont want to hear about an obvious difference bettween speeding and murder 1.
If it is law to not surpass 35 mph NHTSA should make car incapable of surpassing that national speed while the cars are at the dealership.
How will you do when simple luxeries like bacon and coffee are deemed illeagal. Not so long back booze was illeagal and marijuana was not.
If you dont agree with a law do your civic duty to have it changed.
Wake up! stop complaining and being complacent and dont break the law daily. Thus said I am a sinner and law breaker. I thank God for he forgives my miss deeds.
I dont expect anyone looking for an arguement to understand.

Mother Nature aside, "laws" are made by humans having personal and petty agenda's, so-o-o-o, one moment you MIGHT be classified as "law-abiding" and the next as an "outlaw" simply because of somebody ELSE's "law"...such as traveling through a different neighborhood, city, voting district, county or state.

Surveillance can be shown to be factually inaccurate, as is shown by numerous localities rejecting automated ticketing based on speeding camera and stop-light camera.

Besides that, the authorities will be looking for "red flag" behavior, which is not in and of itself illegal behavior, but can be used to predict the likelihood of illegal behavior being committed. Say, for instance, that somebody continually stops by a certain bar on his way home from work and stays there for about 45 minutes before continuing on to his residence. Say also that this activity is flagged by the surveillance system that nobody needs to fear if they only abide by the law.

It won't matter to that one individual, because the system picked up his continual stopping at this bar, and red-flagged to the authorities that this individual MIGHT be somebody who drinks and drives. Now, when this individual drives around, he'll be under enhanced scrutiny from the surveillance system, that no law-abiding citizen needs to fear. This individual might even have difficulty getting insurance, getting his driver's license renewed, or getting his vehicle registration renewed - all because of the surveillance system that no law-abiding citizen need fear.

It would not matter what the reason why this individual stops there. Maybe, just maybe, that individual never actually drinks alcohol at this bar because he knows better than to drink and drive. Maybe this individual's spouse works there, and they'd just like to have a nice chat about their day. Maybe the bar also sells a really delicious hamburger that the individual loves. It doesn't matter, because now this surveillance system just flagged this individual as a possible drunk driver.

So much for not having anything to fear.

great scenario t_ vago.
To add to this possible scenario...one day a big drug dealer moves into town and starts visiting the same bar. Bam! you are now automatically part of a major drug surveillance too. You just got caught in the same net and associated through the data collection. You still did nothing wrong, but, only in your mind and no one cares what you think or how innocent you claim to be.
This is scary!

NOOOO!!!111

Amen brother, I for one am in the Coffee & Bacon underground.

http://i.imgur.com/Omw4Y2B.jpg

Long live the crispy empire! :D

There was supposed to be a "/sarcasm" on the end of that... right? :eek:

Let's take the man at his word and not assume anything other than what he actually expressed in his words.

That is a commonly voiced public opinion that every authoritarian and virtually every politician would engender and endorse.

The result? More power for us over you, less power for you over us.

To make it even all the more galling, those in power will say "we're doing this to help and protect you from the bad guys"... :rolleyes:

I have little or nothing to hide. But I have reason to be afraid of people like YOU.

Oh gawd, thats old, old 3 generations old technology. Thats also assuming you are looking at reflected light too. :eek:

You want privacy, loose the cell phone,quit the internet and use cash to pay for stuff.

Yes, it's old. I believe 2.0 was already in testing when this video was made. Or like you say, now maybe 3.0 or higher. It's anyone's guess what it's now capable of.

As far as privacy...

It may be impossible to put the genie back in the bottle...:(

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Fine 99.99999% of us have nothing to hide, but our government is wasting million or billions tracking our every movement, recording it forever just in case. Total waste of money we are borrowing from China, or the newest scheme make everyone buy US saving bonds unless you opt out.

Wow. A bit harsh, don't you think?
Yes, I am a Canadian spy, living a mere 10 miles from your border, using Ecomodder as my primary intelligence gateway in an effort to eventually undo all of you!:D

Funny. Your sarcasm is appreciated.
I don't think being a spy is the issue here.
Note XYZ's location: Nowhere
P.S. how do you know where he lives?:confused:

More important point: What if you are wrong about your assessment? Are we (USA)) going to be attacked by Canada? This is the point!

I don't believe XYZ lives in the USA. But, your flawed surveillance makes me guilty by association. I'm innocent.

I don't expect things to get bad overnight. They'll slowly continue to whittle away at our freedoms as they've been doing since the beginning.

That is exactly the point. :thumbup:

The phrase "You only have to be afraid if you have something to hide" is the embodiment of a fallacious belief. The mindset that government could never do anything wrongful and that unlimited increases in authority are never a threat to the freedoms of the citizenry is an invitation to the establishment of a police state.

Read about the history of any authoritarian state. In virtually all cases power was not immediately seized by a dictator. No, that usually was not the first step. The trend toward a police state was welcomed by most of the people, thinking that they had nothing to fear.

That is why I said that I fear those who promote that belief.

I am glad that main point has been made.

The way to complete control isn't an iron fist. It's "small concessions to protect the public against the enemy." "Oh, it's okay to make this one little change, not important." Then another. Then take one point further, and so on.

Eventually we'll all have chips in our bodies to "track and keep our universal health records, and stop identity theft" which will be tracking every individual at all times.