Three-wheeler with 2 seats and 1m width
The last few years, there's been much interest in reducing road congestion, ie by using "narrow track vehicles" (vehicles that have a width of 1m or less or thus about 1/2 of a regular car). Examples are Commuter Cars Tango, Narrow Car Company Naro, ... The idea here is that by using such vehicles, we can fit 2x more cars on a road, hence doubling capacity of the road, reducing congestion. Most 4-seater cars only seat 1 person on most trips, so capacity isn't a problem.
The question I had was: which 3-wheelers with a width of <1m and which seat 2 people exist on the (European) market today, and which of these still have a decent price (let's say 5000 euro max) ? The car needs to be road-legal and have a shell. There's the Elio Motors 3-wheeler but this seems too wide, and too costly. The Carver is no longer sold commercially (and was also too expensive). There's the Organic Transit ELF, but it too seems too wide/costly. Some velomobiles may seat 2 people but most are too costly and I prefer longer range (so use of an internal combustion engine). Same goes for the Raht Racer and the Drymer business. There's the CLEVER, but it isn't commercially available. Best thing I could come up with is an auto rickshaw (tuktuk), though most seem to be a bit too wide, and I also don't know whether they're sold here in Europe. They also have some cargo capacity. |
Simple answer is there aren’t any.
Complicated answer is that a lot of Chinese trikes fit that ticket, some are ev some are not but whether they are street legal by you who knows? Christopher Jordan could likely describe his adventures in Chinese enclosed vehicles. |
"Reducing congestion" BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Breeders take any reduction in the Discomfort Scale as a sign to proceed to fill it up again, and then some. |
I think the Smart car is the closest answer to this question.
Half-width size cars wouldn't necessarily help unless you re-engineer the roads so that only half-width cars can use them. |
Also, it's not just the size of the vehicle that needs to be taken into account, but the separation between them.
The real solution to such congestion problems is to simply let them become self-limiting, so that people either move elsewhere, time-shift* their travel, or telecommute. *For instance, when I go to visit friends and have to pass through the urban area that lies between, the freeway is invariably congested - often bumper to bumper - southbound in the morning while I'm going northbound at full speed, and vice versa when I return in the evening. |
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Come on, guys!
It ain't that hard, it ain't. https://i.chzbgr.com/full/3835107840/h1BE93007/ This will combat congestion, if not in traffic then at least in the bowels... This will also solve the problem of people wanting a two-seater trike really quickly. |
All I can think of right now is the Piaggio MP3, but good luck trying to put an enclosure on it.
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Another thought is the use of a velomobile, but then on a bicycle lane. Are velomobiles allowed to use these and what are the requirements for them to allow them to use these lanes ? I guess that 2-seaters will be out of the question here, Also, given the limited range, this vehicle shouldn't be (much) more costly than a regular bike. Short distances are done with it, so (hybrid) electric propulsion is only needed as an option (plain pedaling will do for most). Covering is essential though, but carbon fiber shielding will be too expensive, so I was thinking on whether there are any plastic coverings for regular and recumbent bikes available (generic ones, so not intented for a particular brand). These coverings are called "partial fairings" (wind screens) and "full fairings" (cover the entire bike), bimini tops are just top shieldings. Tailboxes also exist but don't shield the rider, rather they just improve aerodynamics. I found some more examples of fairings but perhaps you guys know some commercial suppliers: * Luca Comba's regular bicycle front shield/top * George's Cooper recumbent bicycle front shield/top * Hase's partial covering for recumbent bicycles * Zziper fairings * Veltop fairings * Lightning F-40 fairing People doing slightly longer distances may best use a recumbent bicycle as they are 3,5x more efficient, however people in cities that already own a regular bike probably best just add a full fairing. If you need a recumbent bicycle, buying a kit may reduce the cost (see here). There are also plans (see here,here, and here, and here). The xyzcargo design seems the easiest since it uses plain metal beams (rather than custom-designed frames). |
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But in answer to the topic: The Tango works because it has four wheels and serious balast in the floorboards. Very narrow trikes are unstable. Not. Stable. |
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Citation needed. I would say the interest is in platooning, to fill the lane rather than reduce it's width. There is an opportunity to improve parking, but traffic lane width is fixed. What would a 1-meter wide vehicle look like? It would be a tandem two-seater with two wheels, or a carver. Relax the 1-meter width restriction and make it a reverse trike and you have a stable platform for high-speed performance. http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-fr...8-100-1024.jpg These are being built today, and the company has global intentions. They claim that due to the aerodynamic shape of the windscreen and top, you can ride in the rain without side panels. Three fit in a standard parking space. |
Electric drive Two wheeled vehicles will offer the highest personal traffic and parking density.
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A cheap motorcycle with fairings (or integrated full cabin as shown on the image) would do for this. Which brands do you think are best ? There's a lot of publicity being made for the Daymak Beast standard (2700$) and it should be fittable with a fairing but I'm not sure whether this is the most appropriate. I'm also wondering whether motorized kick scooters could be fitted with a fairing (because at the back there's no metal rod -from a seat- on which a fairing can be attached) If possible, they would be the cheapest option though (ie the glion costs just 600$ and has a range of 15 miles, the ecoreco has a range of 40 miles (!) and attains 20 mph (sold for 800$). The momas and mijia are somewhere in the middle (20 mph/20 mile range, 900$ and 15 mph/18 mile range 375$ respectively. The minizum and zum costs 1250$, reaches 19-21 mph, and has a range of 20 miles. For links, see here @freebeard That vehicle is called the "Arcimoto SRK". Too costly (11900$) Also, doesn't have sufficient cargo space (tuktuks do have that and are way cheaper). Cargo space is important as cars are also used to carry food/drinks from supermarkets to the home. Quote:
I found another concept vehicle that is also notable: the Schaeffler bio-hybrid. Same thing here though: no info available, and obviously not yet sold commercially. Another concept is the Grant Sinclair Iris e-trike. Quote:
There are a few e-tuktuk's being sold here in Europe (see here and here) so those seem most appropriate. The Terra Motors tuktuk seems (design-wise) even better (less than 1m wide, whereas most tuktuks are 1,1-1,3m wide), but I'm not sure what the price is. Also, I prefer one that has a gasoline engine -on biofuel- (not electric). |
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Can I have one? |
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Sendler — The picture reminds me of Saigon, now known as Ho Chi Minh City. |
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I want to take an Arcimoto SRK to Bonneville and run it with a P-38 belly tank for a body.
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This is the endgame; the goal. :thumbup: |
For those short of cash find a used tandem bike and the rear end of an adult tricycle. Add a coroplast shell and a hub motor front wheel.
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You won't achieve freeway speeds but then again, nobody will (see pic).
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There are a number of narrow track vehicles in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6eQI0TvM_Y |
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It's a 1-seater though, and hasn't any cargo space. It also shows a Nissan LandGlider, which similar to the Honda 3R-C, is just a concept car. |
How about only "letting" people drive UNICYCLES? Three "falls" and your license is revoked.
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These were based on Type II parts, but I have a cruiser bike frame with a chrome springer front end. I could adapt the geodesic framing from my motorhome design and fabricate it in curved welding rod covered with burlap and polyurethane. Hmm.... |
May I just point out to OP, that tuk-tuk does not meet OP's requirements either?
The only tuk-tuk for sale in EU with listed price I was able to find is here: Buy a Tuk Tuk | Tuk Tuk UK . Listed price is 4987 GBP (+VAT) for base model (that equates to some 5600 Eur +VAT). Other sellers do not have a price tag (price on request) but I assume similar price range. E-variants will be a bit (a half??) more expensive, I assume. |
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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-q1u2yGLGy6...2Besquerda.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YsYWMU3Rd3...25C3%25A1s.jpg For more convenience and safety, I would add a hardtop and doors. A swamp-cooler wouldn't be out of question, since it takes up less power than air conditioning. |
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Some of the most used brands/models in India are: * Bajaj RE * Piaggio Ape City * Mahindra Alfa * TVS King three-wheeler * Mithani Group Zeal 3-wheeler |
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I would rather buy some econobox - ie Dacia Sandero with € 7k listed price and 54 MPG. ( its not a spam link, I was once accused not cite sources in my claims. ) |
The question becomes how fast is fast enough? An e-bike might do 30 mph and the e-velos do 45 mph. The seating could be inline or offset. How many people travel solo versus two or more passengers? Would an e-bike carried on board a bus or train for 25 plus mile trips be more efficient?
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I actually think that the low weight will also make road traffic a lot safer. If you hit a pedestrian or bicycle rider with a 300 kg vehicle, injuries should be 6x less than with a 1800 kg vehicle. In addition, the 300 kg vehicle will have a shorter braking distance, so some accidents could be avoided even. As for the price: yes 10k is the upper limit I set, but if you look at the short tuktuks, these come at just 1,5 to 2k€, so way less than an econobox. The long tuktuks are a lot more expensive (if bought new). 2nd hand, they should be much more affordable. Also, you're not taking into account the insurance costs, taxes, road permits, ... which should be way lower with a 600 -or less- cc tuktuk. Heavy modification to attain the minimum or top highway speed (depending on the tuktuk chosen) isn't necessairy; just adding a plastic covering that shields the otherwise open parts of the cabin should do. Quote:
The combo mini-e-bike + train/bus is also besides the point as most people just don't use a bus/train because they need to adjust their timing to it (and trains/buses don't always come on time either so you need to be present well before they are expected to arrive and wait at least 5 to 10 minutes). Another issue is that the bus or train doesn't drop you off exactly where you need to be (but this could indeed be solved using a mini-e-bike, downside however is that you need to carry it along and deploy/undeploy it every time). |
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