Top score list?
 

We need a "top score list" for individual makes, models, and years of cars... It would be cool if I could click on my make, model, and year and see a list of people that have the same car and see what position I'm on the list (mpg).

It would be kind of like how the overclocking websites have lists for invididual CPUs and how far each person was able to overclock them :D

Agreed. It's on the to-do list. Once I've finished the Kammback, I'm going to be spending time expanding the garage and adding features people have been asking about.

at the very least separate out the EV's from the gas burners

Top Vehicles List
 

:) Please separate the "Top Vehicles" in the home page by "Fuel Type" and "Vehicle Type."

FYI, the garage revamping is under way.

I'll bet I've got the only '88 Escort.

I dont think year should be in there (because lets say a 92 and 95 model year are identical, then why the need to differentiate ?)

But by make and model would be GREAT!

That would be great! There are 3 or 4 Honda EP3s but with a list I could recruit a lot of people from the EP3 Forums. Some guys don't even believe my numbers but when I show them this Web page they show some interest.

maybe list by generation, rather than year.... but that's a lot of work for whoever sets it up - lots of looking around on the net unless they know lots about every make of car!

How to make it fair...
 

Maybe differentiate by generation and engine type (4-banger, 6-banger, electric, diesel) to get a little camraderie going intra-type. The 6 cylinder folks may give up on trying to match the 4 (and 3) cylinder folks and bow out...

...of course it's real easy to make suggestions when you're not the one that's going to have to do all the work! :rolleyes:

(chuckles at Intrigued) So far in my area, I have put my 6-cylinder up against some of the 4-cylinder vehicles and surprised them. Granted a couple of issues have been found that have allowed for a rematch later on (neighbor's 07 Malibu 4 cylinder found to have bad coilpack and a faulty o2 sensor) but I am confident in what my girl does for me. Now just looking at a quick glance, I see that Intrigued's quad4 is a touch behind my v-6, so in the spirit of friendly challenge, hop to it Intrigued!!! (grins)

Ugh, what a difference adding in the latest fuel fillings has done... I really need to be home more and let the other driver have thier vehicle back...:(
So for all my bluster about Intrigue's numbers, they now soundly beat me!! wtg...lol

LOL! Been there, done that, needing to buy the t-shirt! You're on for a little friendly competition! (grin back at ya!)

Hey, mine is actually a 4-cam V-6. My main problem is that, in being an old drag racer, and way too competitive, when some butthead comes up and thinks he just has to be in front of me, I still take offense to it...once in a while... :o

Yeah, sometimes the 6-cylinder cars get BETTER mileage, due to having the oomph to pull themselves down the road much more easily. It's a tangled web for whoever does the sorting, and I wouldn't want the job - at all.

Hey, I looked at your numbers, and your best is just a couple of mpg or so better than mine. I seem to be stuck in the mid 20s for the winter, but then I'm not getting a lot of miles on the road, since all of my current classes are either all online or hybrids. Almost everything I do is short trip and the car doesn't even get a chance to warm up. I gotta do something about an electric vehicle for short trips!!! :thumbup:

Intrigued; to to a drag racer from an Indy-car mechanic, use what you already know you past half the bunch already

Hey thanks, guudasitgets! It's been a while since I was a master mechanic for the GM dealership, but I do remember some of the things the guys were doing in the '80s fuel crunch. It's too bad that you can't just recurve your distributor any more, play with carb jetting, and stuff like that. All computerized now... :mad:

Dad was a dirt track racer in the '50s, so it's kinda in my blood. I got the "brake pedal is my enemy" game from INDY/NASCAR, for when a car needs to conserve fuel. (Yeah, I know... not an eco-conscious source :o ) Which reminds me of an old speed-shifting trick which I need to put on the EV blog somewhere, for the guys who have EVs with no clutch. (File every other tooth off of certain gears, so they mesh easier when shifting.) I can't remember which ones, and it's been 50 years since Dad was doing it to the old '49-'51 Fords, so it may be a lost art. I'll ask him and see if he remembers... :cool:

LOL, I hear you there about the "competitive urge"... have been guilty of it to from time to time <tilts head waiting for the sirens to start again> oops

Heh, I did some time in the automotive wrenching but was never set enough to go for the Master's badge, cudos to you Intrigue.

Perhaps you might have seen the DIY thread I started asking about the new 6 speed auto available in the Saturn Aura, which I am thinking might be a nice, if expensive, upgrade/modification for my Impala. Will dig for the link....
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...info-6064.html
Still have to get more info and specs on the new trans, a 6T70/75 and on initial info I have gathered is a full GM unit at the core. Biggest thing will be getting the proper control module as well for the swap, if the case is a decent match... ah well, time will tell.

Intrigued; The gears are always in constant mesh the sychro's do the shifting, but racing sychro's used to be had with every other tooth missing. In indycars and other formula racing we used Hewland gearboxes with straight-cut gears and no sycro's at all, you have to shift fast and double clutch if you didn't. Ecomodder tip; straight-cut gears are stronger and use MUCH less horspower. We ground all the teeth off everything from 2nd to 3rd for qualifying to save rotating mass, after that we started machining blank out dummy gears from aluminium. we also had aluminium differential cariers,for qualifying automatic transmision fluid in the gearbox and wheel bearings, hey they only had to run for a few laps! Qualifying motors had narrow contact area on the crank and rod bearings. Now theres things like ceramic wheel bearings floating on helium gas pressure. Vacum pumps evacuating the crank cases (internal engine part rotating in a vacume make more horsepower and have less resistance) you can actually make one of these from an old smog air pump. There's more; I'll write about it when I get time, my latest intrest is Bonneville.

Ahh, yes. A man who plays with the Big Boys. :cool: Some of that I've heard of; some not.

Back to the tranny stuff: I still haven't had a chance to talk to Dad yet, but synchros have not been around all that long. If I remember right (someone in the know correct me here :o ), on the '49 to '51 Fords, there was only partial synchronization, and grinding down teeth helped a lot. It would help with mass, for sure. A '51 Victoria with the Mercury engine, Offy intake and two 2-barrel carbs, milled heads, and a 3-speed with overdrive was the first car I ever drove...

Some of those old cars had real sliding gear transmissions. In that case ya I gues if you cut down the leading edge of the gears it would go into gear easier. VL harleys were all sliding gear, no dog rings, your shifter actually moved the gear.

Well, I knew that at some time I had seen Dad working on trannys that had sliding gears, but it could have well been John Deere tractors, for all I knew... :confused:

I guess the pertinent thing now is, would it help the Geo Metro trannys that the folks are using that are going clutchless? I know they are having to rpm-match to change gears, similar to the way the truck drivers do... ;)

First gear is pretty useless for some of them, so it could be ground down to save mass, for that matter. Many of them are starting in second and going to third, but I'm guessing those are using a different fork in the Metros...

...and we probably should be posting this in some type of modification thread, now that we're practically done with it... :D

You can put Hewland gears in pretty much anything, in SCCA racing the old production cars (Austin-Healey Sprite/Midget) MGB's; Triumph Spitfires) are doing it for years. You have to have all the shafts made for them. Just remmember though, thier really loud! and you won't have ANY synchros. You can shift without the clutch, if your good (read fast) And you can have ANY ratios to choose from (there are hundreds of combinations depending on the tracks straighaway length). But they do use less power and there are fewer rotating parts. Drag racers use air shifters on them, so all they need is a button on the steering wheel.

Air Shifters...
 

Yeah, at our local drag strip, up close to Springfield MO, they differentiate some between the ones who use air or other means of quick shifting. Those of us who never had the money to do that like to say stuff like "real men shift for themselves," but in reality we're just VERY jealous... :D

One guy this year somehow got in between gears, got mad, and then melted his slicks. Finally just coasted through the lights. Then the announcer started razzin' on the shifter diffs...

...Hey, a P&G!!! :p

I'll bet I've got he only Honda B16x that gets 40+ MPG! :D

My first car was a '52 Ford Coupe - got me hooked on Coupes early in life! :cool:

I put a '52 Merc engine in it, with a 3/4" stroker kit - and eventually an '52 Olds 303 with a Vertex magneto and (wow) electric fuel pump!

These were all bolted up to 3-speed Ford trannies. They lasted about 6-months, on average - and, only second and third gear had syncros on them. If you wanted to shift into first gear, you had to come to a stop, or lock up the rear wheels.

I'm 99.9% sure the '49-'51 Ford trannies were the same, but the front-suspensions sucked! That was the main difference - bodywork aside... ;)

Yeah, there was a change body-wise between '51 and '52. In the good old days I could have told you at a half-mile what year and make a car was, and tell the trim difference as they went by. Nowadays they all look alike to me... :(

Dad seemed to have a lot of trouble with the flathead blocks. Somewhere was a weak point, and if the thing ever got hot it would crack somewhere. We were always having to go to the drugstore to get a bottle of stuff called "waterglass" that he would pour into the radiator.

His always had the overdrive in whichever car he had. We would see a snapped axle once in a while, and if you ever got stuck in the snow and tried to rock it free, there was a spider gear somewhere that would always lose teeth or similar. :eek: Something to do with first gear, I think...

Oh, and it wasn't those trannys that they would take every other tooth off of for speed shifting (talked to him this morning). He said the things were just too weak! I'm guessing you and he could go on about old Ford stuff for some time!!! :thumbup:

So... is that a '32 you have???