Toyota SF-R - a Miata fighter concept
 

http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...1&d=1448300778

Looks like an interesting and fun car. Probably not super aero, but also not a horrible base for modification either.

Leaked Specs: Toyota SF-R Has 130 HP And Weighs 2160 Lbs - Art of Gears

Im surprised its not just a rebadged frs/brz? Why go through all the trouble?


Edit:
Forgot they already sell the toyota ae86 in japan. This looks a bit smaller, is this likely to come to the states?

Can't be sure what the marketing rationale is, but it is quite a bit smaller car, like the Miata.

FRS - 166.9 inches long / 2,758–2,806 lbs
SF-R - 157.0 inches long / 2160 lbs

Jalopnik has had several articles about it. It looks like a fun little car.

And cheap! That $12,500 number will likely not happen, but it sounds like it will still be one of the cheapest cars on the market if they bring it here. I'd bet they sell a ton of them.

And i thought the fr-s was small. My brother in law has one of the limited production TRD models. Its a nice car, very low to the ground, handles great, lacking on power a bit. 250 torque/hp would make the car a lot more enjoyable.

Need to do something about that grille - makes the car look like a sucker fish :-(

Hopefully, most people think the grill is too big, although I imagnie someone would say it should be bigger.

How much of it would be open anyway?

I'll take the size, weight and MPG penalty and drive an FRS instead. There are ugly cars on the road and then there are UGLY cars.

Well, I drive a Metro, will probably own an iMiEV for my next car... lets just say style isn't huge on my list, haha.

That being said, I do like the looks of the SF-R. Here are a few more pics that do it a bit more justice from:

Toyota S-FR tech specs revealed (130 HP / 2160 lbs))

http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...1&d=1448372062

http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...1&d=1448372062

http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...1&d=1448372062

If maximum performance/fun is desired, and only 2 seats is required, a sportbike will fit the bill for ~$10k. I don't really see the point of sporty cars anymore unless money is burning a hole in your pocket and you need to get rid of it in a hurry.

There is a good chance the iMEV will be my next car too, and it will replace the sporty/luxury TSX in my stable.

As far as the car goes, I'm not a fan of the "look at me" grill. If you want to draw that much attention, you had better actually be fast. I suppose we live in a society where perception is > reality.

Ever ride your bike in the snow? Or take your dog along, carry more than a bag of groceries...

Not just snow, even heavy rain can become a PITA.


That's why I've been considering to get a motorcycle and a side-car. Even though my dog is small and could eventually fit into a topcase similar to the kinda oversized ones used by motorcycle couriers (known as "motoboys") in my country, it wouldn't be neither safe or comfortable.

Ah, I missed where this car is great for hauling large quantities of things, taking the pets to the park, and snow racing; things more suitable in just about any other car.

My point though, is that the car is neither fast, fun, practical, or good looking.

Someone will think it projects the right image though! :thumbup:

While i have no intention of getting a motorcycle, i do agree that this will probably be a tough sell when someone would probably be crosshopping or at least comparing an ae86/fr-s/br-z. I know which I would buy.

That first picture is ... unfortunate. Maybe it's the color?

http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...1&d=1448300778

This is just begging for a sharkmouth.

1st: Relative: It's got nearly the same power and weight as an MX-5 1.5, which is good for 100 km/h in about 8 seconds, meaning the American magazines, with their roll-out corrections, SAE corrections and shorter 0-60 times, will get it there in 7 seconds. Which isn't bad.

2nd: We won't know till it comes out. If it ever does.

3rd: Granted. Hell, even a Spark will be more practical.

4th: Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder. :D

There's obviously a market for cars like this outside the USA... since they sell the MX-5 1.5 out there. And this will be half the price of either the MX-5 or 86.

A 1.5 liter displacement, seating for four and a sub-4 meter length also puts it on the right side of many tax laws, which should drop the price even more in places where other sports cars get slapped with punitive taxes.

The question is... will fickle sports-car buyers consent to buying something that doesn't carry the "You-lot-can't-afford-it" aura? I recall the reason that Toyota moved their aim upmarket during the BRZFRS86 gestation was because they figured young/poor enthusiasts weren't buying cars, anyway.

But it is quite possible to build a small, sporty 2-seater that can do all of those things quite well. Just for example, the Honda CRX. Even the Insight, while it's a bit lacking on sporty (but still far better than the average car or SUV), carries both dogs (~65 lbs each) plus backpack, skis, &c. And gets 70 mpg, which is way better than I ever got from any of the half-dozen or so motorbikes I've owned.

Stealin' that. :thumbup:

If one is looking for practicality, would never even consider to get a sporty coupé.


It's not so bad-looking at all, and I'm not drunk right now :D


Not sure how 4 average-sized Western people would fit inside it anyway. But the tax advantage is still a good point :thumbup:


They might still find a marketing niche for it. It even resembles the spirit of those featherweight British roadsters, roughly like a Jap reinterpretation of the Lotus Seven...

But there are people out here (and not all of us are young and poor) who never have occasion to carry more than one other person. So why should we have our buying choices limited to 4-door sedans?

http://i.imgur.com/7ewg6.jpg

1911 Franklin. I believe Franklins were air-cooled. :thumbup:

Notice the divider in the seat. I couldn't walk up to it with a tape measure, but the seat is narrower than the steering wheel and would hold one headlight. Maybe 16-18" wide. No elbow-room.

Maybe people were chummier back then?

I had read that scientists disproved the beer goggle phenomenon, but this says otherwise: Science Confirms the Obvious! | Popular Science

So how would this be for a look. Flat black with thick chrome Jaws teeth.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fp7kAC2lVO...124_214702.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fp7kAC2lVO4/VlVa0kDOHFI/AAAAAAAEAT8/ljaZF-ocNzc/s1600/20151124_214702.jpg

We shouldn't. But in most every market, taxes are specifically structured to put people in certain cars. In the US, it's domestic pick-ups (chicken tax... though right now it's pretty useless, since the "imports" have nearly as many factories stateside... and CAFE regs that go by footprint and are more lenient on trucks), in Japan it's Kei cars. And in India, it's sub-4 meter sedans with 1.2 liter engines.

I imagine an S-FR, equipped with a 1.2 turbo, could make a mockery of that tax exemption. Just like Honda did with a local tax exemption for 10 seat vehicles.

They stuck a third row bench into the trunk of the CR-V and all of a sudden had a crossover selling for 2/3rds the price of a RAV4. The government, upon seeing this, realized how stupid the exemption was, and dropped it.

I think the S-FR could open up new markets for Toyota. But again, sports car buyers are such snobs that it probably won't sell in huge numbers.

I WANT ONE! It'd be great for running around the dirt roads. Just have to do something about the aero on those headlights...

I believe Franklins were air-cooled. :thumbup:

Skinnier, for sure.

It looks like a cross between the Toyota 2000 (1960s sports car, exotic, limited run, very rare) and the Toyota 1000 (1970s mass produced car, funny looking, all rusted away long ago)

I like the way it looks ... unique, but in a good way.

Beer holder. Beauty. In the eye of.

Sure. But that wasn't my point regarding thepassenger capacity of this car.

jamesqf -- Late headlights off a Leaf or something, swapped side-for-side and placed on the inside of the thin fenders. BMW i3 tires on 4x19 wires.

Even thin people have elbows. Somebodies going to have to be a hugger. Prolly the passenger. :)