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Xist 05-05-2018 01:42 AM

Two-door sedans, four-door coupes, and Civic-sized Accords.
 
The news channel said they had a story of a Waymo-involved accident after the commercial break, so I immediately found this story: Google Minivan In 'Autonomous Mode' Involved In Crash In Arizona

Apparently an unknown car flew from a side street in front of a Civic coupe, which swerved into a slow-moving Waymo Pacifica. Then the people whose one job is to report facts and explain simple facts to simpler folks called a coup a sedan and the car fans made fun of that, and then called the Civic an Accord.

I hope the Waymo got a picture of the plates of the third vehicle because whoever ran that stop sign and cut off the Civic decides to go to bed without supper.

redpoint5 05-05-2018 03:20 AM

I expect mainstream media to deliberately mislead me. I expect local news to mislead me out of sheer ignorance.

Rarely is swerving the better option than braking, as we see here. If a collision is unavoidable, make the responsible sob be part of the mess.

MetroMPG 06-07-2018 03:21 PM

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Audi is calling this a coupe:


http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...1&d=1528399164

Reporting for Flagship Duty: Audi Unveils Q8 ‘Four-door Luxury Coupé’


Shark, meet jump.

No wonder people are confused.

Xist 06-07-2018 04:29 PM

https://i.imgur.com/C3PDxgq.png

mpg_numbers_guy 06-07-2018 04:43 PM

That is so backwards lol. You'd think they'd be more likely to call a hatchback a SUV of CUV considering where the market is heading.

samwichse 06-09-2018 09:27 AM

https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/4-se...ran-coupe.html

Not the first abusers of the term... most be a German thing.

RedDevil 06-09-2018 09:50 AM

It is a plague...
https://www.google.nl/search?q=4+doo...w=1600&bih=769

mpg_numbers_guy 06-09-2018 10:52 AM

Apparently they think "coupe" refers to the tapering angle of the rear windshield instead of the fact that it has two doors...for whatever reason. The dictionary is clear enough:

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Coupe: a 2-door automobile often seating only two persons
Straight outta ol' Merriam Webster.

Now when will they start coming out with two door sedans?

niky 06-10-2018 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mpg_numbers_guy (Post 571633)
Apparently they think "coupe" refers to the tapering angle of the rear windshield instead of the fact that it has two doors...for whatever reason. The dictionary is clear enough:



Straight outta ol' Merriam Webster.

Now when will they start coming out with two door sedans?

Been done.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...sedan_side.jpg

https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l...Xx01qh3t6o.jpg

Hell, it's my favorite body style. Three box, two door.

The whole coupe versus sedan roofline thing used to mean something when sedans were aerodynamic bricks and coupes were swoopy.

Of course... it's not just the roofline. The usual marker of a "real" coupe is the lack of a B-pillar. Very, very few four-door coupes actually count as coupes.

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-20...Doors-Open.jpg
(The RX-8 does, of course. But you can't buy them new, anymore)

Still, marketing uber alles. There is no hard or fast definition for car body styles, anyway (just look at all the arguments online about the term "sports car"). So manufacturers are simply applying the term coupe to mean "car with swoopy roofy".

But in an age where a Civic sedan has a roofline with so much taper that it comes as a genuine shock that it has a separate trunk, manufacturers are having to go to silly head-squeezing lengths to make sure people know the difference between a sleek coupe and a slightly-less sleek sedan.

Pays good money. You have the more expensive four-door coupe with less headroom and trunk space for fashionable idiots. And you have the cheaper and roomier four-door sedan for everyone else.

Of course, everyone else is ignoring sedans. They're buying hatchbacks in high heels... errh... crossovers... instead.

mpg_numbers_guy 06-10-2018 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by niky (Post 571728)
They're buying hatchbacks in high heels... errh... crossovers... instead.

I like that. :D

freebeard 06-10-2018 12:46 PM

There was a time when you could choose a 2-door sedan, coupe or business coupe. The 1950 Hudson and 1950 Studebaker business coupes were probably my favorites.

https://motorbase.s3.amazonaws.com/u...ness_coupe.jpg
https://motorbase.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/pictures.ubh/2007/04/05/fs_51Studebaker_Champion_business_coupe.jpg

Nobody makes landaulets anymore.

jcp123 06-11-2018 06:14 PM

The bodystyle nomenclature thing has always mystified me. Two door sedan I (kinda) get, but the four door coupe thing still offends my sensibilities. There's a lot more room for play with the terminology than I want to admit.

Xist 10-17-2019 06:47 AM

According to Hoovie, some manufacturers call sedans coupes because they have coupe rooflines in the rear, which he does not appreciate, because he has a head, and cannot simply set it in his lap (my words). He also found Mercedes claiming that the Society of Automotive Engineers defined coupes and sedans not by the number of doors, but by interior volume, which would make small four-door cars coupes and large two-door cars sedans. He also gave examples of various cars that had their own terms like fastback, sportback, freckleback, wait, no...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgEzTOixNlc

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 10-17-2019 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by niky (Post 571728)
But in an age where a Civic sedan has a roofline with so much taper that it comes as a genuine shock that it has a separate trunk

Just like the Audi A5 and A7, the early Passat/Dasher (some were even assembled there in the Philippines by DMG resorting to Brazilian CKD kits), and even some versions of the Fiat 127 had such feature.

Xist 06-26-2022 06:58 PM

Some guy on YouTube made fun of Mercedes calling a 4-door vehicle a coupe. He built what he called a $6,000 chicken coop with what I can only guess are $6,000 worth of tools.

He is putting better craftsmanship into a chicken coupe than I am putting into our shed and it is for me and guests!

Of course, I have $60 in tools...

Can anyone name all of the vehicles in his garage? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLRnI1H53EwI watched videos at double speed yesterday while I weeded and I found this video far more entertaining! :)

freebeard 06-26-2022 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by redpoint5
Rarely is swerving the better option than braking, as we see here. If a collision is unavoidable, make the responsible sob be part of the mess.

My father took to the ditch when the neighbor down the road pulled out in front of him. Spent four months in the hospital. Not her fault because he didn't clip her.

Xist 06-27-2022 11:52 AM

Unfortunately, if he rear-ended her he probably would have been cited.

I wonder what the police would have done had I not been able to stop my school bus in-time when a Neon cut me off and immediately stopped.

I wonder how I stopped in-time.

I shared a video where the guy talks about his current cars elsewhere. He started talking about how important therapy is and how everyone can benefit from it. He said the video wasn't sponsored, he just wanted to share a service he used.

He then shared that he had started going to therapy when he learned that his then-wife was emotionally cheating on him and then she left, which seemed like a surprising amount of personal drama for the second video I watched.

At some point he also mentioned that he makes enough from his videos to support himself.

He has a little over 100,000 subscribers and his videos often have 100,000 views.

I wish that my projects paid for themselves!

Two problems:
  1. He usually knows what he is doing.
  2. I find him entertaining.
I usually don't know what I am doing and I don't find myself entertaining.

I kept seeing links to this, but I am watching his videos from most-viewed to least-popular, and I hadn't gotten there yet. Well, I got there, and he complained about cutting full sheets of plywood on his table saw, so he cut a full sheet of plywood on his table saw, and made this guide to make future. I think it is a great design, I just don't have the tools to make it, nor anywhere to put it. There is that 4x8 bench that I made for Mom, but her tomato plants are thriving, and living right in the middle of the bench, which is why I made it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvNFvM00OP4

Xist 06-27-2022 12:40 PM

In this video he fixes the Nissan Figaro of the guy from Technology Connections. Collaboration? Well, so far Mr. Technology Connections just said "Hi!" [he talked a bit at the end].

You know what? I should find and share the first video first! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE2dKZ492TA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMlmNNOolKg That channel has almost a quarter million subscriptions and a comparable number of views per video, so maybe that is the magical number to be paid to work on your projects.

Here is another video with Technology Connections: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wpElvW4o2A

Xist 06-27-2022 02:34 PM

I have watched all 36 videos on that channel, produced in the last 2 years, so one about every 3 weeks?

He mentioned that he was using his new domino tool for a video just for a tax deduction, so at least the next time I make a decent purchase I may start making videos. Nobody will watch them, but I can deduct the expenses! :D

If only I had thought of this when I bought the 2002 Civic...

Well, my federal tax rate is 12% on everything above $9,950, so I could have recovered $96 on that purchase, but what about state?!

Well, that is only 2.59%. I am pretty sure that I was just under the next tier and of course only whatever I might earn over that amount would be at the higher rate, but 2.59% of $800 is $20.72, plus $96, so a total of $116.72.

I don't remember how much I paid for registration. The calculator says it would have been $44.80.

Did I claim that on my taxes? :)

I tracked down the site, but apparently I used my desktop, as I had for the 5 previous returns, so I will look up that later.

If I make a video about Crazy J replacing the engine and transmission, can I deduct the engine, transmission, and labor?! :D

That might save me $350, but would still cost at least $2,000! :D

The YouTube guy drove to Georgia, reviewed a Yugo in especially poor condition, the same Yugo that Doug DeMuro reviewed, and then Tavarish souped up.

Then Tavarish gave it back to him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw2tqa8JcTE He made a video destroying a 2003 Lancer and has almost 1.5M views: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FER_q2x6FDk What is the profit margin on buying cheap cars that aren't roadworthy and destroying them on camera?

Well, they need to run and drive. I don't think my 2002 could do everything he did in the video and that cost me $800. Here is a video of him destroying a 1992 Civic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWcBQWZNkWU I was only able to watch about half. It was too similar to the Lancer video and I like Civics!

freebeard 06-27-2022 05:09 PM

I stopped going to destruction derbies in the 1950s when this one white Studebaker got ganged up on.

What do you think of Bad Chad's channel?

What happened to Bad Chad Customs?

At ?t=210 Jolene says they are growing from a five figure business to a six figure business. You want drama?

Can someone help me understand?

Quote:

https://knowyourmeme.com › memes › internet-hate-machine
Internet Hate Machine | Know Your Meme
Internet Hate Machine is a term initially used by a Los Angeles news station to describe Anonymous, which has since been co-opted as an inside joke by members of the group.

Xist 06-27-2022 05:22 PM

I hadn't heard of him and I don't enjoy projects that draw attention to themselves like others do.

Why does the blonde look fake?

freebeard 06-27-2022 06:08 PM

Quote:

Why does the blonde look fake?
As Scott Adams explained this morning, there's no Evolution or Relativity, it's all Simulation Theory. The result most ironic to an outside observer wins.

Your judging photons that have been passed through a series of tubes.

Xist 06-27-2022 06:25 PM

She is probably using a filter. Many women do nowadays.

Apparently I started watching this almost a year ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpmVXWBJjrc

freebeard 06-27-2022 09:57 PM

Quote:

She is probably using a filter. Many women do nowadays.
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...jpg?1318992465
knowyourmeme.com/memes/this-looks-shopped

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 06-28-2022 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Xist (Post 670351)
What is the profit margin on buying cheap cars that aren't roadworthy and destroying them on camera?

Presumably way higher than exporting them to Paraguay or some African countries where skilled mechanics would still try to make a worn-out econobox roadworthy for at least more 30 years :D

JSH 06-28-2022 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Xist (Post 670351)
What is the profit margin on buying cheap cars that aren't roadworthy and destroying them on camera?

Is this a trick question? It is about the clicks. He has 250K subscribers which means he is bringing in some actual money from YouTube.

freebeard 06-28-2022 05:52 PM

If you take junkyard parts and make a car for the video, at the end you have a car to sell.

Xist 06-28-2022 09:10 PM

I see cars for sale for $500, but they don't run and drive. My $800 Civic runs and drives, but not very fast, and probably not very far, so I couldn't Dukes of Hazzard it and make a video like he did.

With SAVE4SUMMER AutoZone will sell me a Fel-Pro head gasket set for $163.19.
Amazon has it for $109, though.
O'Reilly charges $221, RockAuto wants $153, and the dealerships that I saw ask between $237 and $362.

His Lancer looked fine and honestly, his Civic looked pretty good. Even with [gestures vaguely] if someone who can rebuild engines and transmissions thinks that a car needs to go a junkyard, I don't know that there is an ROI in fixing it, but I have watched videos and read about people parting out cars.

It usually works out to about the minimum wage, but if you are making money from documenting it, well, it probably isn't much more.

I bet that if 1,000 YouTubists begged, bought, or stole $500 cars and destroyed them in various ways, their demolition profits would be somewhat proportional to their previous videos--until this gets old.

If I do something crazy with a $500 car I might turn a profit, but that would depend on how expensive the craziness is.

WatchJRGo has dozens of videos of fixing up cheap cars. This is his most popular video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYIHS_PK4Qw It has 1.6M views after 3 years.

He had also already published videos for 10 years.

Our AutoZone has the $153 kit. I could wait 8 days on Amazon or at least that long to get a Chinese part which will inevitably fail.

Quote:

Today we're replacing the camshaft plug that is the cause of many Civic oil leaks, spark plugs, the valve cover gasket and seals, and one coil pack.
All of those add up to $80 and a valve cover gasket is vastly easier than a head cover gasket. I will replace everything he changed and more on top of replacing the head gasket.

Kelley says that in very good shape the car is worth around $2,146.

$800 for the car.
$120 to have Crazy J say "Yup, the head gasket is blown" and reverse-flush it.

I was thinking that I should go ahead and order this. Amazon recommended a Gates timing belt kit for $82.

Is that the one with the OE belt and the Chinese bearings?

It is rated 4.6/5 and it looks like the pump is Chinese. There are 10 1-star reviews claiming the pump failed.

The Aisin kit is $130. CapitalOne said that I can save $13 by buying it from eBay, but both ship for $141.72.

The head gasket kit and the timing belt kit total $260 out the door.

I cannot imagine getting the car operating within specified parameters without further replacements and who knows how long it will take me to replace all of this, but my total cost for this will be $1,180 so far, and I may be able to sell it for twice that.

If I make a video about it I may recover some of that, but maybe not.

JR always said he bought cars for $300 or $500, but who knows if he did and if he did, how he got them that cheap.

freebeard 06-28-2022 10:12 PM

Quote:

Gambler 500
The Gambler 500 Rally is a mostly off-road Rally-Style Navigational Adventure using cheap, impractical or fun vehicles to run through the country and pick up trash, remove abandoned vehicles and boats. Participants are encouraged to spend no more than US$500 on their vehicle; however, this limit is not enforced.Wikipedia
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https://forums.24hoursoflemons.com › viewtopic.php?id=40074
the $500 rule (Page 1) - The 24 Hours of Lemons Forums
13 Jun 2021B) BS inspection cares how well you met the spirit of the $500 rule and Lemons in general. This includes everything from the car you chose, the effort you put into improving non-reliability and safety items, the level of awfulness the platform you chose is, and assessing the the chance your team are a bunch of jerks that will be clogging up the penalty box.
Building a $500 Lemons Race Car | Project VW Ep 1
15,315 views 27 Feb 2020

Xist 06-28-2022 11:04 PM

It is $500 before repairs and safety equipment, right? Chris bought this for $1,100 and needed to sell and document over $600 in sales, but who races a consumer vehicle without removing weight first? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbPhor1mnCA When you mentioned it I thought "You need to buy a car for $500 that can race for 24 hours?!"

JSH 06-30-2022 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 670497)

GRM also has a $2000 challenger were you have to prepare a car for $2000 to compete in an autocross, drag race, and concours show.

It is supposed to be a low-buck event but what it has turned into is an event for people with a LOT of fabrication equipment and time. So instead of buying a part for $250 they buy $20 of aluminum and then use $100K of CNC equipment to machine the part and put $20 in the accounting ledger.


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