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redneck 07-28-2022 08:13 PM

The Tyre Extinguishers…
 
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The Tyre Extinguishers…


https://www.theguardian.com/environm...climate-crisis

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The Tyre Extinguishers, as they call themselves, furtively hand around bags of lentils ahead of their raid (the legumes are jammed into a tire valve to release its air slowly overnight) and size up their quarry.
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One of the group kneels down, unscrews the tire valve cap, stuffs a lentil inside and puts the cap back on. The tire immediately lets out a startled “pfft” noise, a leaflet is slapped on to the windshield and the group melts back into the night.
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The leaflet, complete with a Ghostbusters-style picture of a crossed-out SUV, states the vast amounts of planet-heating emissions generated by the vehicles are “nails in the coffin of our climate”, adding: “You’ll be angry, but don’t take it personally. It’s not you, it’s your car.”
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“It is like a public shaming,” said Dana Fisher, a sociologist at the University of Maryland who has researched environmental protests since the 1990s. “The target of public shaming is very unlikely to change their opinion from the shaming, so the question is, what’s the point? It’s an innovative, simple tactic to take the air out of someone’s tires, it’s not harmful, it’s just annoying. It’s like the training wheels to something confrontational.”

The confrontation they imagine, may not be the confrontation they get…

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes…


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freebeard 07-28-2022 08:39 PM

Once I lane changed to the left and into the left turn lane to make a left turn. The pickemuptruck behind me must have thougth I cut him off.

When I came out of the store I didn't see until I tried to drive away that the two valve stems on the far side of the car had been nipped off with a side cutter.

Piotrsko 07-29-2022 09:40 AM

Don't need a side cutter if they are rubber stems, just a yank at a sharp bend angle. Which is why I only run steel stems (but not from pissing people off)

redpoint5 07-29-2022 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by redneck (Post 672099)
The confrontation they imagine, may not be the confrontation they get…

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes…

... some folks might be thinking to jam something other than lentils into their valve.

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Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 672102)
Once I lane changed to the left and into the left turn lane to make a left turn. The pickemuptruck behind me must have thougth I cut him off.

When I came out of the store I didn't see until I tried to drive away that the two valve stems on the far side of the car had been nipped off with a side cutter.

The thing is, the fella probably drove off even angrier than before cutting the stems, so it did him no good either. This is why things escalate, because anger cannot be cured by lashing out.

The above story is a prelude to more agressive vandalism. Only fortunate thing is it sounds like a group of women, and they tend not to take vandalism to the extremes men would.

freebeard 07-29-2022 06:34 PM

A pack of spiteful women in a black lifted pickup? I suppose it's possible.

I had to walk home for a second spare. I didn't feel anything but tired.

oil pan 4 07-29-2022 08:59 PM

If I were aerohead I would want to be associated with those losers.

redpoint5 07-30-2022 01:42 AM

Not cool, man, not cool.

If I were anything, I’d want to be that, but better. Fortunately I am something, and I could be better. Gives me something to do.

freebeard 07-30-2022 02:36 AM

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If I were anything, I’d want to be that, but better. Fortunately I am something, and I could be better. Gives me something to do.
Channel the Vice President? I read that in her voice.

This is Ecomodder; why aren't we A-B testing whether putting a Lentil bean under the valve cap will case any pressure loss.

redpoint5 07-30-2022 01:17 PM

No idea where I was going with that other than the "not cool" statement. How do I tell if I had a stroke?

I had a beer on an empty stomach because the restaurant didn't take my food order when I listed what I wanted. So I'll blame it on being tired, hungry, and boozy.

BTW, that's one problem of being prepared to order, that it throws the employees off their script and ends up slowing everything down or messing it up.

I once ordered "a BigMac, Large fri, to go".
The kid repeated back "I got a BigMac, anything else".
I said "yes, the large fri"
"A BigMac, a large fri, is that for here or to go"?

It should be illegal to pay that kid minimum wage.

freebeard 07-30-2022 02:22 PM

I view some of my own past comments similarly.

The Tyre Extinguishers sounds like a burn-out crowd.

Piotrsko 07-31-2022 09:38 AM

AB test: anything under a metal cap that can push against the stem will cause a pressure loss. The grit they used to resurface my street fits perfectly. Right now only the french lentils I have are small enough to fit the inside of the cap. Common brown and Dal won't. Could be a Winco supply issue.

Useage causes a mess inside the stem which needs to be dealt with before adding air. Seems to be also a touch force thing since the process with the french lentils is inconclusive because sometimes the lentil turns to powder and my metal caps have a sealing ring. If I had a plastic cap, perhaps this might work reliably.

At jobcorps, I had this problem every so often: some kid would get pissed off with staff and flatten tires in the parking lot. Got into the habit of looking for where the caps were. solved the problem using a drop of eastman 910 but that annoys tire monkeys

redneck 07-31-2022 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Piotrsko (Post 672176)

At jobcorps, I had this problem every so often: some kid would get pissed off with staff and flatten tires in the parking lot. Got into the habit of looking for where the caps were. solved the problem using a drop of eastman 910 but that annoys tire monkeys

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I haven’t heard it called that in a long, long time…

It did however remind me of this.

Lol…


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMeaeUY5sjo


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redpoint5 08-01-2022 12:17 AM

Urushiol oil might not prevent the initial molestation, but the vengeance it distributes could begin to inform habitual molesters that they are misaligned in their action.

Don't forget to wear disposable gloves when you add air to your tires.

freebeard 08-01-2022 01:21 AM

Is there a Step Two missing there?

redpoint5 08-01-2022 02:00 AM

I'm taking a page from freebeard...

and imagining a hypothetical response a person might have. Having not entertained the idea in detail because it was a hypothetical imagination of others perspectives, all of the steps are unexplored.

Some of the worst experiences I've had involved encounters with urushiol. Severe enough to heighten awareness of environment and to make better decisions when those environments are not the ones I should be messing with.

Henceforth, I make no more commentary on what I'd do, only speculate on what others might.

freebeard 08-01-2022 11:08 AM

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I'm taking a page from freebeard...

Henceforth....
All I was trying to find out was if the oil goes on the inside or outside of the valve cap.

Piotrsko 08-02-2022 09:45 AM

One would think it is better insider the tire , so, under the cap. Only gives me a mild short term rash, but never got it in my facial openings. Not sure the process is instantaneous enough to be a deterrent.

Interesting concept, however the liabilities might greatly exceed any benefits, and tire monkeys would unnecessary suffer.

910 has a bunch of useful qualities one of which is the specific force to fail the joint, otherwise you cant get the valve cap off if you use the newest CA adhesives. I supose a truck valve extender like used on dualies might be a better option.

redpoint5 08-02-2022 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Piotrsko (Post 672297)
One would think it is better insider the tire , so, under the cap. Only gives me a mild short term rash, but never got it in my facial openings. Not sure the process is instantaneous enough to be a deterrent.

As a child, I've had it everywhere kids touch. Inside the ear was most uncomfortable, and of course around the eyes / nose.

Way too slow acting for a causal connection to be made, but maybe a few days of relief from these hooligans if they are miserable enough to not want to tamper with others property.

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 08-04-2022 01:21 AM

In my early teenage I had a neighbor who was a SOB, and once me and other boys from the condo where I lived at the time placed nails on all 4 tires of his car, carefully enough to ensure all 4 tires would be punctured even if he steered before getting out of his parking spot. We only did it because he was a SOB, but doing it just out of hate for a specific vehicle type is plain stupid.


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Originally Posted by redneck (Post 672099)
The confrontation they imagine, may not be the confrontation they get…

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes…

Would be quite entertaining to watch those self-proclaimed "climate saviors" messing with the wrong folks and getting some serious confrontation, such as if they tried it on an undercover police SUV/truck and got caught.

Piotrsko 08-04-2022 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr (Post 672372)
Would be quite entertaining to watch those self-proclaimed "climate saviors" messing with the wrong folks and getting some serious confrontation, such as if they tried it on an undercover police SUV/truck and got caught.

That was a plus benefit of living in Detroit under organized crime control: never knew who was directly connected so you didn't do such stupid stuff.

I have some yahoo paranoid neighbors with all sorts of security and weapons. Does that qualify?

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 08-10-2022 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Piotrsko (Post 672395)
I have some yahoo paranoid neighbors with all sorts of security and weapons. Does that qualify?

If your neighbors are "paranoid" and have weapons, I guess it wouldn't be so smart for "tire extinguishers" to mess with them. Would be cool to watch the so-called "tire extinguishers" getting some "unorthodox" punishment...

Piotrsko 08-10-2022 09:46 AM

Actually the whole process would be quite entertaining, particularly the armed police response to armed neighbors with the same bulletproof jackets and more firepower. However, I can find no safe place to observe this confrontation without being an unintentional participant.

redpoint5 08-11-2022 12:09 AM

Minimum necessary force.

That begins with confronting the Tire Extinguishers and notifying them that they are under arrest. The action required after that depends entirely on theirs.

I arrested a guy that smashed a window a few months back. Not knowing how he'd react and seeing him hurry to cross a street, I grabbed the collar of his shirt and yanked him back. He complied, so I didn't need to exert any more force.

Piotrsko 08-11-2022 09:54 AM

One on one, much easier than one against many, although the martial arts movies make it look easy. However, I have never seen people wait their turn to attack in a street fight somebody is bound to have a 3ft section of 3/4 steel pipe.


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