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Cycle 08-21-2015 01:53 PM

Wait... what? Air viscosity increases with increasing temperature?
 
How do we reconcile the following two viewpoints?

Air viscosity increases with increasing temperature:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscos...osity_of_a_gas

Drag is linearly dependent on density so if you heat the air by 1%, density decreases by 1% and drag also drops by 1%.
https://www.physicsforums.com/thread...e-drag.804563/

So which is it? Does hotter air increase air viscosity (and thus drag), or does hotter air decrease air density (and thus drag)?

wickydude 08-21-2015 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cycle (Post 490737)
How do we reconcile the following two viewpoints?

Air viscosity increases with increasing temperature:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscos...osity_of_a_gas

Drag is linearly dependent on density so if you heat the air by 1%, density decreases by 1% and drag also drops by 1%.
https://www.physicsforums.com/thread...e-drag.804563/

So which is it? Does hotter air increase air viscosity (and thus drag), or does hotter air decrease air density (and thus drag)?

You should have read further in that topic on physicsforums.
Both statements are true, it's just that the density effect is much larger than the viscosity effect.

Cycle 08-22-2015 10:27 AM

Yup, I see that now. Is there a temperature above which this happens, or does it happen all the time? I saw an equation on the Wikipedia web page, but it wasn't clear to me.

aerohead 08-22-2015 01:16 PM

wait
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cycle (Post 490737)
How do we reconcile the following two viewpoints?

Air viscosity increases with increasing temperature:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscos...osity_of_a_gas

Drag is linearly dependent on density so if you heat the air by 1%, density decreases by 1% and drag also drops by 1%.
https://www.physicsforums.com/thread...e-drag.804563/

So which is it? Does hotter air increase air viscosity (and thus drag), or does hotter air decrease air density (and thus drag)?

You might want to avoid wikipedia and search out a density altitude calculator online to put you in touch with reality.
We're not interested in 'viscosity',although 'density' is an issue if you want to drive yourself mad.


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