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Old 01-02-2012, 07:09 PM   #21 (permalink)
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just dont fall for the old "grass is greener"
Hehe ! Indeed, I should have specified that I had a youth pass which me gave a great access to the extensive rail network for a very reasonable cost.

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Old 01-02-2012, 07:27 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Fair cop, but filling my "relatively" ecoonomic 1.8L car costs me 75-80, that's $116-125 per tank...

I'm not so sure that the USA's average yearly salary is that much lower that the perspective would be that far seperated?

I do enjoy these discussions- keeps the "debating" part of my brain active!
Ouch! That is a lot of cash for such a small amount of fuel. A few weeks ago I had a discount of $0.40 off per gallon, and spent exactly $100 to fill my 35 gallon diesel truck, and I thought that was spendy.

The most frustrating experience I had was back in '08 when diesel was $5/gallon, and the low fuel light came on in my truck. I put $20 into the tank just to get home, but it wasn't enough to turn the low fuel light off.

I too enjoy a rational debate. There are many opinions that I have changed over the years due in no small part to the information and debates from forums such as these. I'm actually quite happy when someone shows where I am wrong, or haven't properly considered something from a different perspective.

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Thing is, transportation is so inefficient in the USA, just like it is in Canada. I look forward to the day where bullet trains will be common here in North America. I was in Europe back in 2008, and I was impressed by the vast rail infrastructure. Fuel costs are higher there, but the alternative transportation is faster and cheaper. Nothing like cruising at 300 km/h while reading a book and enjoying the scenery !
Part of transportation efficiency has to do with population density. It makes a lot of sense to develop these mass transit infrastructures when moving people relatively short distances from one high density area to another. Most of the US is still farmland or wild, and our large cities are spread far apart.

Expanding high speed rail in North America probably makes sense in some areas, but economics will dictate the development. It has to cost the consumer less than driving.

I'm looking forward to the day that my car can shuttle me to my destination while I check out ecomodder to see what people are doing to improve the efficiency of their autonomous vehicles.
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Old 01-02-2012, 08:33 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Having experienced some of that efficient mass transit first hand, (Tokyo), they can keep it. I used to commute by bicycle in order to avoid it. There's nothing like being packed so tight into a train that four other people are smashed up against you and paying through the nose to do it to make you appreciate the wide roads and cheap gas we have here.

Now, having said that, their mass transit was still much, much better than anything I have seen in the US. The train stations were clean and safe and the trains arrived exactly on time almost all the time. In the major urban areas, you didn't even bother with a schedule because the trains came every few minutes.

Here in the states, you could not pay me enough to make me ride mass transit. The buses and the bus stops here aren't particularly safe. The are extraordinarily slow and since I already need to own a car and keep it insured, it's not even cheaper for me. A dollar worth of gas moves me around 8 miles. I can't even get on a bus for that.
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I too enjoy a rational debate. There are many opinions that I have changed over the years due in no small part to the information and debates from forums such as these. I'm actually quite happy when someone shows where I am wrong, or haven't properly considered something from a different perspective.
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Expanding high speed rail in North America probably makes sense in some areas, but economics will dictate the development. It has to cost the consumer less than driving.
I worry about that, actually. I don't see the government cutting through the bureaucratic tape anytime soon, and a venture like this is too large both in cost and scale for any private company to want to risk right now.

Also, more so than cost, I think convenience is a MAJOR factor. If you want to take a page out of LA's public transportation book: Public transportation in LA costs less than driving (and possibly less than public transportation in San Francisco), but nobody -- relatively speaking -- uses it. Why? The bus schedules and routes are erratic, the locations that can be reached are limited, and more than likely, you either need drive or walk a great distance just to get to a station.

Even if this high speed rail/maglev train system goes into place, and it is significantly cheaper than driving or flying, it might not see use. It must be implemented properly and in a way that is convenient, otherwise, it will be a major waste of time and resources.
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yes

and
every time the Federal Reserve which is really a privately owned central bank of America , in that there are no "USA federal Government employees" working at the Federal Reserve , anyway when ever that Bank decides to inflate the money supply of America by printing money
out of thin air http://www.infowars.com/central-bank...achs-coercion/
the value of the rest of the American money in circulation goes down
since oil is traded in dollars
and
the value of oil does not change
it takes more dollars to buy the same amount of oil / gas

and every thing else ,
not because the price of the item went up
but because the value of the dollar went down
so the same amount of dollars buys less
of
everything

we have identified the problem

now we must fix it


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Its an interesting statistic but I always wonder how these costs are calculated - what is the source ?

In this case it is a "census", so taken where ?

At a shopping centre / mall ?

At a workplace ?

In a city vs in the country ?

Also (assuming this is USA) which part ? - there are a lot of travel demographics in different parts of the colonies as I understand it from visiting there.

Just wondering.
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Probably only the 20,000 Jedi that gas prices, filled in, they did...

Also, I'm confounded as to why the americans think Gas is expensive..still about 50% cheaper than here..
I did a spreadsheet a while ago - you bop in the exchange rate and the UK gallon rate and it pops out the US equivalent price, and there is a section to go the other way too. The maths may need checking though Attached.

1.28 a litre comes out at nearly $8 a US gallon.
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I like it because it is most useful information about gas uage.
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I did a spreadsheet a while ago - you bop in the exchange rate and the UK gallon rate and it pops out the US equivalent price, and there is a section to go the other way too. The maths may need checking though Attached.

1.28 a litre comes out at nearly $8 a US gallon.
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Basically, I am not sure about gas costs i.e. which is costliest gas?
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Basically, I am not sure about gas costs i.e. which is costliest gas?
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