What to improve in VW Golf Mk4?
Currently I'm achieving around 4L/100km(59MPG) at 90km/h(55mph).
Is there any way to improve this with stealth aero mods? |
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I was thinking in grill blocks, underbody smoothing with flat panels, airdam,..
Isn't it effective in this kind of car? |
this kind
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That said,you could do some things that would really make a difference,but none of it would be stealthly.All the mods would be immediately obvious to the most casual of viewers. Lower drag is about the 'look.' From where you're starting from,all the low-hanging fruit is already picked. |
Ok, I didn't knew it was already that optimized. I used to think that my Golf was a brick with wheels.
What you think about using using CFD analysis to try some tiny bits and see how effective they are? I already have a model of my car that I could use for that, but need some ideas to start. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/6470/VXNWxG.png |
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Thanks, so nothing I can do. I can't make it road legal here in Portugal that way.
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Who defines stealth? As they say you can not see what you do not know. Stance and plasma actuators* might do a lot. VW engineered to a general use case. Your example might be re-optimized for a more specific case. Countershaded camouflage*? Quote:
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Mk4 like the 1.8L turbo motor?
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The local regulations here are pretty rigid , I can't lower the suspension for example. |
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Larger intake piping may help.
I drove a 2004 1.9l jetta for a little while that had some funky small squareish intake piping that looked like a restriction. |
Box cavity.
https://ecomodder.com/forum/member-f...31-1-26-08.png The variations are stepped or angled, and the trick is to not block the tail lights. edit: Would this (Rocket Bunny-style) pass regulation? https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/318725.jpg https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/po...uote&p=1911182 Maybe without the extra width but with rear fender skirts? |
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More on the plasma actuators please... |
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https://youtu.be/GZWiysLd6jUThis video smells more like BS.
But... if i know how to fabricate the actuator, the voltages and the app could be a pleasant weekend project for me. How did we attach youtube videos. I have done it in the past but have forgotten mow |
Plasma Stream Technologies- 720P
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Attach vs embed: Copy and paste the URL and it displays as //youtube/ (you don't even have to wrap it in a Link tag, it's added atomagically), click on the video and Copy URL or copy URL At Present Time and it displays as //youtu.be/. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZWiysLd6jU https://duckduckgo.com/?q=phys.org+plasma+actuator The first result is Phys.org (https://phys.org/tags/plasma%20actuators/) but there are other research results (www.researchgate.net, iopscience.iop.org) on the first page. edit: There is also this: A Magic To Improve Aerodynamics : TOYOTA PATENT |
Pre-heating the fuel (not to the point of vaporising it) might be interesting. It's been widely used in those vegetable oil conversion kits, because they're harder to vaporise while injected at ambient temperatures. Better vaporising may lead to a more complete combustion. Other approach that might be useful is water injection, eventually also using the residual water taken out of the interior by the air conditioner.
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http://thumb3.zeppy.io/d/l400/pict/2...w-high-quality There are aftermarket metal plates too https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/25...g?v=1527375431 |
can't get panzer plates anymore, but can off & on get the metal ones as a replacement for that thing they use now.
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My plastic tray lasted the 10 years / 240K miles I owned it. However, plenty of used cars are missing the tray because the owner takes it off to change the oil and then never puts it back on.
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I think that to get better I need to improve aero since I can squeeze 3.5l/100km(67MPG US) if I slow down a bit to 65km/h instead of 90~100Km/h. Road speed is what affects me the most. |
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I'm looking to more discrete things. Spats, dams, smooth underbody,... but need some ideas if possible from more experienced people. Don't know what to do first and how to do it right. |
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The box cavity is certainly more discrete that a full boat tail and is can be almost as effective. Many people wouldn't even see it because as they say 'the eye cannot see what the mind does not know'. Excepting those darned novelty seekers. :) There's only so much you can do to the visible parts, they didn't leave a lot of low-hanging fruit. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/57/4d...b15def42bd.jpg The parts not visible are the underside and the engine bay. You can make as much difference there as on the outside. Generally, a smooth underbody is better than an airdam, but much more work. Air curtains are one opportunity. For the engine bay a thermostatically operated radiator block or outlet vent reduces drag. Then you get into 4-into-2-into-1 anti-reverionary headers and on down the rabbit hole. I won't drop names but there are extremely knowledgeable people here, I just repeat stuff I've heard. My VW is stock except for the stance. |
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I will probably try to smooth the underbody first, with some cheap plastic sheets. |
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https://ecomodder.com/forum/member-f...5-100-1036.jpg |
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This $10 bottle treats 320 gallons of fuel. https://www.amazon.com/Howes-103060-...omotive&sr=1-4 |
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Hi,
If your are not stuck to aero mods you could use a tune , larger injectors, hammer mod to increase power and fuel economy (of course not at the same time ...increased power means increased fuel usage BUT if you drive like normal those mods will help fuel economy (other mods include gutting the muffler and cat) but if you get smog checked that may not fly. A flat under car pan may help , side skirts that deflect air round the rear wheels may help too (large road tractor trailers find it helps).... |
Welcome Jorge. I have done “stealthy” aerodynamic mods to my Golf TDI and improved my mpg and coasting distances significantly. From outside the car you would only see the deleted passenger side mirror (and the folded driver’s on the lightly traveled highway). I blocked the upper grill with black pipe insulation stuffed between the grill bars. There seems to be plenty of airflow through the bottom grill. I have a Panzer plate that starts a bumper to bumper belly pan. I installed Votex side skirts painted to body code and used plastic rain gutter halves for inner and outer side skirts like the Aerocivic. I deleted the muffler mostly to make the rear diffuser angle better. I used rain gutter to make strakes that line up with the rear spring perches to complete the rear diffuser. I have small spats ahead of the front and rear tires. Please check out my albums and fuel log for more details.
https://ecomodder.com/forum/member-c...n+install.html VW did a pretty good job on the outside but the underside is a mess. My coasting distances are much, much better than before the underbody aero mods. Good luck with yours. |
https://ecomodder.com/forum/member-c...4-img-0146.jpgAlso, I sealed up around the rear wheelwells with aluminum flashing.https://ecomodder.com/forum/member-c...5-img-0140.jpg
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