What's good build eco sedans
 

For my next car coming up I want to get a vehicle that has more rear seat space than my current 04 A4 avant, safe (this is very important), gets or can get great economy, and that I can fix (hate going to the dealer for anything). So far I've thought that a 98-00 A6 could do the job if I swapped in a fwd manual 6 spd and a tdi motor. Thought after aero mods and weight reduction that maybe the a6 could get 45mpg. The '12 and up accords fit the bill decent, just not sure I would need a Honda diag tool or not. Suggestions? A build is not out of the question obviously

If you want lots of space with great safety, then I would look at a Lexus RX series hybrid. Tons of room and gets around the 45mpg mark stock. Look at some aero mods, reducing tyre drag and tinker with adding PHEV and you could get far better. Also has the benefit of EoC, engine stop and Atkinson cycle.

You are lucky that they are relatively cheap,where you are.

Simon

Even though a hybrid crossover SUV might be a reasonable option, it's still quite a pig compared to a sedan or a wagon. And the OP also didn't express any specific off-road ability or ground clearance requirements that could favor the Lexus. Plus it's not everybody who has the skills to perform the maintenance or to make complex repairs in a hybrid drivetrain.

Just intended to get the thought process going towards hybrids. In my experience, there is very little maintenance that cannot be done by an average joe that is mechanically inclined with the assistance of a Techstream cable from flea bay. The majority of the car is vanilla Toyota.

Simon

I was trying to stay away from hybrids. I admit there's a lot of Prius's out there and they wouldn't keep popular if hefty expensive repairs were frequent. Drawback personally is working on the hybrid system. I'm hybrid certified but I have little knowledge of the Toyota system, haven't looked at their version/design too closely.

My experience has been that the hybrid systems don't need anything, basically ever. The hybrid system in my Insight has been chugging along for 16 years without a hitch, ditto with my wife's Civic Hybrid.

You might find this site useful:

Long-Term Quality Index

Over the ~20 years this site has been collecting data, the only manufacturer that's less reliable than Volkswagen/Audi is Mini (and Smart, but I don't think they count for anything):

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It's worth noting that Honda's score was pulled down mostly by Suzuki's they've sold on their lots branded as Hondas, and by the transmission issues for Accords in the early 2000's.

Across the board, Toyota leads the charts, with the Prius being the most reliable compact sold in America:

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Agree totally. I have just bought my third Toyota/Lexus hybrid. There are hybrid Toyota taxis with >800,000 kilometers on the clock with no significant issues.

Simon

Glad to hear some solid input on the Toyotas. Would probably have to go for the Camry for more space. Any input from anyone with diesels? A plug-in hybrid may get the ticket as we're going to solar our roof in the near future. Thanks for all the input guys

I'd say look at one of the Prius, maybe the Prius V if you need a lot of space. It's practically a minivan and yet it's easy to get over 50mpg in it. The normal, mid-sized Prius actually has more passenger-compartment volume AND luggage space than a Camry, though perhaps not as much legroom, and the V is cavernous inside. Otherwise, a Chevy Volt could be a great option. A member here, Cowmeat, recently picked one up and is getting close to 50 miles of electric range, and probably hasn't burned more than a gallon of gasoline since he bought it.

Yeah I'll have to look at those V's. The regular Prius's don't have enough rear seat space. That's the real issue. With a second little one in the future that rear seat space is needed in the a4 let alone in the Sentra. It's really cramped for a wagon. I'm 5'6" and find it uncomfortable sitting in the back seat.

I have stumbled upon the L series Saturn, it is really an Opel Vectra B. The first one I got was a v-6 wagon, all the v-6 models have an automatic. I started looking for a 4/5 which turns out is a small part of the production. They produced them from 2000 through 2004. The early 4 cylinder cars had timing chain failure issues, corrected by late 03. So early 4 cylinder cars can be bought cheaply with broken chains and bent valves.
I found and bought a loaded 02 4/5 sedan with a bad engine for $400.
I found and bought a mid 02 4/a sedan, clean and low miles for $300.
I fixed the 4/a and am driving it, I will give it to a grandson on his 16th birthday next year.
I bought a late 03 rollover for $100. Good engine and lots of parts.
I sold my v-6 wagon after picking the cream for $1000.
I bought another 4/5 with a bad engine for $100. An extra 5 speed and spare body parts.
The 02s have traction control and abs standard, side air bags and lots of room inside.

Don't discount some of the Lexus hybrids too. The sedans have lots of room and still good economy in the hybrid models.

Simon

I'm gonna vote for the sixth generation Chevy Malibu... Lots of headroom, decent rear legroom, and there's even a wagon version(the MAXX)... With some aeromodding, I'm getting nearly 40mpg on my rural commute, and here's lots more to gain... There are three engines available, ranging from 2.2 liters(only available on the sedan) to 3.9 liters(on the SS), with a 3.5 liter as the midrange engine... Due to a higher geared transmission, the 3.5 liter can get similar mileage to the 2.2... YMMV, however...

I'm loving my w126 300sdl. I've only had it for a couple weeks, but the turbo diesel engine engine chugs along nicely. I modified the manual linkages so that it shifts nice and early and with some propane and/or w.m.i. (water methanol injection for those of us who don't read the stickies.)

This model was not available in a wagon? Trust me, you wouldn't need a wagon, the SDL (lang is German for long?) Is roomie enough for whatever it is that you could need room for.

The chassis is old enough that it will keep you busy working on it, but everything is simple. ObdII? No. MAF? No. Mercedes-Benz? Yes.

My w202 c230 was a different story. My best tank was 24, no power from the go pedal, really not sure what I saw in that car.