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RobertSmalls 06-15-2010 09:35 PM

Where to find ethanol-free gas.
 
Ethanol Labeling Laws - State by State Guide.

Most states require gasoline containing ethanol to be labeled as such.



Ethanol-free gas stations in the U.S. and Canada

This site has a user-generated list of stations where ethanol-free gas is available. The site doesn't verify the information, so it could be wrong our out of date - but in most states, it will be labeled.

I'd encourage you to check the label on your gas pump, and add any ethanol-free stations that you know of to the list.

Too bad I just fueled up. I would like to try a tank of ethanol-free gas and see what happens. I guess I'll have to wait another 750 miles (fingers crossed!)

NeilBlanchard 06-15-2010 10:27 PM

What are they using to oxygenate it? MBTE?

RobertSmalls 06-15-2010 10:41 PM

With MTBE banned in 25 states, the answer is pretty much "not outside of Dixie".

But it's a good question. What are the alternative oxygenates? What about underoxygenated fuel?

gone-ot 07-24-2010 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RobertSmalls (Post 179199)
But it's a good question. What are the alternative oxygenates? What about underoxygenated fuel?

...would that be "water" since it's hydrogen has already been "burnt"?

C3H8 07-24-2010 02:13 PM

the only place that sells ethanol free gas in florida i have found is certain sunoco's. the problem is that the gas is 110 octane and costs about $8.00 per gallon. sort of defeats the purpose of it. although the 110 works great in my banshee atv!

gone-ot 07-24-2010 10:29 PM

...ah, the (in)famous blue & yellow SUNOCO 260..."street" racing fuel (ha,ha).

ecl 07-24-2010 11:01 PM

Luckily they sell pure gas no ethanol added at a local Shell station here.

C3H8 07-24-2010 11:02 PM

i could be wrong however i don't think its the 260. right on the pump it says it contains lead and is not a legal street fuel , the store clerk wont sell it to you if you try to pump it right into the gas tank.

cosmic_kid 08-05-2010 01:11 PM

The Cenex stations I've been to have ethanol free gas.

trikkonceptz 08-05-2010 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by C3H8 (Post 185332)
the only place that sells ethanol free gas in florida i have found is certain sunoco's. the problem is that the gas is 110 octane and costs about $8.00 per gallon. sort of defeats the purpose of it. although the 110 works great in my banshee atv!


Actually there was an independant gas station in the Keys that sells Ethanol free gas. My guess is most people there use it in their boats. They also sell it for $3.19 a gallon vs $2.79 ish available now.

jalmir 09-14-2012 05:07 PM

bump ...

I was looking around on Google to locate ehtanol free stations in Canada or in my area (Montreal) and I found this post burried in the results! :D

pure-gas.org was one of the first thing I found but it's kind of vague. Found other forums where they were discussing ethanol free in Canada and found more details.

Turns out all of 91+ octane gas in Canada seems to be ethanol free. Petro-Canada SuperClean 94 (in Montreal only) is also one that many high compression engine owners like to use.

With the gas price at 5.5$ a gallon for regular right now I think I'm gonna pass and wait a little. When the prices will go down I will try to see if I can get some premium and look at the FE.

litesong 05-13-2019 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jalmir (Post 327891)
Turns out all of 91+ octane gas in Canada seems to be ethanol free........the gas price at 5.5$ a gallon for regular right now.... When the prices will go down I will try to see if I can get some premium and look at the FE.

This post was from 2012. Wonder if the poster ever tried ethanol-free E0? Even in our high-priced part of the U.S., 87 octane E0 did get as low as $3.10 last year. During the summer, our 140,000 mile, EPA highway-rated 32MPG Hyundai Accent, got 18 tanks in a row that were over & well-over 40MPG.....80% of those tanks, running on 87 octane E0.

redpoint5 05-13-2019 02:41 AM

Just found out the coop station nearby has it... for like $1.40 more per gallon than regular (it’s premium octane).

Even more recently I saw a sign at a new station saying they had E0, but I didn’t inquire about the price.

Maybe I’ll run a few tankfulls one day for “science”.

cowmeat 05-13-2019 08:48 AM

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Maybe I’ll run a few tankfulls one day for “science”.
I tested a tankful of non-ethanol gasin my old Festiva and found it was basically just more expensive with no visible benefits. Of course that was in a twenty year old putt-putt beater, so who knows what it would do in a newer car

I do run non-ethanol gas in all of my lawn equipment, generators, pressure washer, and my boat since it doesn't gum up the carbs. Maybe I should run it in the Volt since the tank that's in it is the same one that was in it when I bought it last October

roosterk0031 05-13-2019 10:39 AM

I ran 3 or 4 tanks in a row last month of E0 in the XFE, noticed this one station had 87E0 for only $0.20 more then 87E10. I'm having some fuel trim issues that I haven't figured out so MPG is worst than normal and inconsistent so not the best test but here are the results.

4 tanks of E0 with a 38.3 MPG 3-tank average ($0.075/mile)

4 tanks of E15 with a 35 MPG 3 tanks average ($0.072/mile)

Piotrsko 05-13-2019 11:05 AM

The really obvious comment: did you do alcohol testing on some samples?

Fuel suppliers tend to WYSINWYG.

roosterk0031 05-13-2019 11:34 AM

No testing, just trusting the pump label. I should pick up a graduated cylinder one of these days.

Shaneajanderson 05-13-2019 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmic_kid (Post 187225)
The Cenex stations I've been to have ethanol free gas.

Hello fellow ND person! Cenex isn't a nationwide chain, for what it's worth.

Hersbird 05-13-2019 01:34 PM

Our ethanol free unleaded 91 octane (no they don't add lead to it) is about $.20/gallon more than the premium 91 octane which is $.20/gallon more than the least expensive 87 octane. Exxon, Conoco, Sinclair, and others all sell it but not every station.

More than anything older snow machines and outboard motors really need it. You put even the 10% stuff in something made 20 years ago by Bombardier or even Mercury and it will melt the inside of the fuel lines, gum up in the filter, lean out the motor under power, and seize a piston.

litesong 05-15-2019 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by roosterk0031 (Post 597983)
I ran 3 or 4 tanks in a row last month of E0 in the XFE, noticed this one station had 87E0 for only $0.20 more then 87E10. I'm having some fuel trim issues.......4 tanks of E0 with a 38.3 MPG 3-tank average ($0.075/mile).......4 tanks of E15 with a 35 MPG 3 tanks average ($0.072/mile)

That's too bad about your problems. Last summer, using 87 octane E0, 85% of the time in our 140,000 mile, EPA highway 32MPG Hyundai Accent, 18 tanks in a row were over 40MPG. The highest tanks were all E0, the top three being 45+, 47+ & 48+ MPG. Our two Hyundai Elantras AND the Accent have small gas tanks, but ALL of them registered 500 miles on single tanks of gas. During last summer's boon of "efficiency", two of the cars were wearing used boots, much larger than standard.

roosterk0031 05-16-2019 11:01 AM

This tank of E15 the LTFT long trim fuel trim has been staying pretty normal most of the time (10) so indicated MPG is over 40. It and short term max (29/32) out once in a while and cause a rich misfire and sometime even raw gas in the exhaust. Started with replacing coils & plugs, then o2 sensor, swapped maf with other cars. New fuel injectors. I have a new MAP to install but don't think that will fix it but it was only $12. Only $250 worth of parts so far. Get lean PO171 code. Down to thinking it might be the ECM. It seems to be costing me about 4 mpg. Not sure I can justify $600 for a new one, $105 for an ebay one maybe, 261,000 miles and rust is taking it's toll.

Maybe I should just run E50 or so in it, the "normal" LTFT will be in the 20's so when it maxes out it still won't be that rich.



I'm thinking I might be getting another Elantra $13,000 can get a 2017 with under 30,000 miles. 2011 Rogue CVT is getting noisy might trade instead of fixing. 40+ mpg instead of 26. Convenient have 2 of the same cars for oil filter etc...

I think since the Hyundai fuel efficiency scandal they underrate some of their cars.

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...9252/overview/

Something like that.

litesong 05-17-2019 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by roosterk0031 (Post 598270)
...I might be getting another Elantra $13,000 can get a 2017 with under 30,000 miles..... since the Hyundai fuel efficiency scandal they underrate some of their cars.

We got our 2016 Elantra brand new with full 100,000 mile warrantee...... for under $13,000. Some people were getting new Elantras for $11,000 recently.
The so-called Elantra scandal was a bunch of talkin' head leadfooters who wouldn't work to get 30-40MPG. I knew it before we bought two Elantras, both which have gotten 45-46MPG. For the first year of the 2013 Elantra, using 87 octane 100% E0, I over-all averaged 39MPG (pencil & paper, not car computer).

roosterk0031 05-17-2019 12:11 PM

I'd like to find that deal. $12,500 for a 17 with under 30,000 miles is the best I've found, one 17 Sonata for $13,500 with 28,000. The 17 I have I got from Hyundai dealer so was CPO getting the 10/100,000 warranty. Most aren't so just the remainder 5/60,000. I think 17 was the first year of the 2.0 with 12.5 compression Atkinson style valve timing.

About E50 in my XFE fuel trims still maxed out a couple times but not for long or long enough to throw a CEL, LTFT running 21-25. When it did max out it didn't cause the flooding rich misfire that causes chugging.

Just did a cars search for new and found some listed for $10,600 but 480 miles away. $14,900 if within 200 miles. A road trip to Oklahoma might be in order to save that much money. Wouldn't have even look at new without your tip. Thanks

Edit: bundles of stacked discounts from the OK dealer, that price isn't real.

litesong 05-17-2019 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by roosterk0031 (Post 598388)
...Just did a cars search for new and found some listed for $10,600 but 480 miles away. $14,900 if within 200 miles. A road trip to Oklahoma might be in order to save that much money. Wouldn't have even look at new without your tip. Thanks
Edit: bundles of stacked discounts from the OK dealer, that price isn't real.

Oh, good! You can go on a scenic drive. That's wonderful! Yes, dealers are dealers. They ain't goin' ta give no good deals, ifn they can squeeze ya for more loot. But now you have a low-ball price. Go after it. First, don't tell them you know the internet low price. Second, you can call one of the sales-people now & begin haggling on the phone? Tell them its the wrong color AND you have to drive so far(don't tell them how far). Third, don't talk with anyone, when you walk on the dealer lot at the end of the month with a paper, comparing other potential purchases. Have a pencil to add information, like serial numbers & identification codes. Papers, pencils & writing scare sales-people so they hand you off to a more experienced sales-person. Tell them, you can find a better deal with a competitor that is further away..... tell them you can get a great deal on a Toyota, which have better colors than Hyundai (true, Hyundai colors are NOT the best)! Is the deal on a manual tranny Elantra? If you don't buy it, it might sit on their lot for a long time. That's what I told them & they sold a bottom-low priced manual Elantra to me, as it was rolled off the semi, not even washed yet.

roosterk0031 06-17-2019 09:28 PM

Well a few weeks ago I heard a squealing noise, rolled down the crank windows and it was mine. Got to work still making it. It was some solenoid on the top of the engine, learned later evap solenoid valve, it was cycling not stop. Moved car under canopy in the shade where I normally park, go back out see puddle under car. Fuel line leak. After 2 tries that's done. Talked to nephew a Toyota mechanic Sunday he said try to unplug that valve. LFTF 15ish most of way to work, ST + or - 2. I didn't think enough air could be sucked thru a 3/8 od tube to affect it that much but was wrong. 39 mpg indicated on drive to work with E30ish blend. Filled with E10 45 mpg when I got home. Getting PO443 emission CEL not but no lean code. Fuel and evap lines really rusty not going to replace evap lines.

fusion210 06-17-2019 11:12 PM

Bought some a week ago after googling for ethanol free gas and found a site with this station last updated in 2018. Had it in the middle mosts pumps with a red handle and separate button. Annnnd it was $.50/gal more.

Bought it for kicks.

roosterk0031 06-18-2019 10:01 AM

I'm going to try E0 again next tank since I have quite a few fresh parts on my 263,000 mile car to go for an honest best tank ever. I think I need just over 47, but that that was part of a 45 mpg 3-tank on E0 so maybe a little filling error.

My current tank is 122 miles in with 44.7 indicated on E10. My 55+ mpg tanks were due to a faulty gas pump.

I don't see Insights too often but one this morning.

freebeard 06-25-2019 11:52 AM

I've only burnt clear Premium in the SUPERBeetle since I got it. It is equivalent to the 1971 Regular the car was designed for.

One thing I found in research but haven't tested is that if you try to buy clear Premium on the coast, they make you carry a gas can out to the end of a pier.

roosterk0031 06-25-2019 12:20 PM

Filled the 2010 Cobalt with 87 E0, only station I know of that has it at E0-87 and only $0.20 more than E10-87. Going to try to get a personal best with that car.


XFE is down waiting on some new fuel line & fittings to replace the attempted fix with a rubber hose that held for a few days.

TexasCotton 11-06-2019 08:06 PM

Good News
 
Murphy USA is constructing (building currently) a brand new fueling station on location way close to where I am located....The promise is that it will have ethanol free fuel there. amen. BTW there are now several ethanol free threads out there

litesong 11-08-2019 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexasCotton (Post 611109)
Murphy USA is constructing (building currently) a brand new fueling station on location way close to where I am located....The promise is that it will have ethanol free fuel(E0) there. amen. BTW there are now several ethanol free threads out there

Mentioned on some other thread, but good here too:
pure-gas.org now lists 15,000+ E0 sources. Also, New York state now lists 1000 E0 sources within its borders. E0 continues to rise by grass-roots word-of-mouth, only. E85 languishes, despite backing by gov'ts & the "ethanol in gasoline industry".


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