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Big time 04-06-2013 12:55 PM

Why direct injection gasoline engines don't use 20:1 compression ratios like Diesels?
 
So they can combine gasoline clean burning and widespread availability with Diesel engine efficiency?

jamesqf 04-06-2013 01:23 PM

Knock.

calfianu 04-06-2013 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesqf (Post 365330)
Knock.

= NOx (toxic gas - regulated)

RustyLugNut 04-06-2013 02:25 PM

The DI gasoline engine still operates in the same way as before.
 
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Originally Posted by Big time (Post 365324)
So they can combine gasoline clean burning and widespread availability with Diesel engine efficiency?

Fuel is injected early enough to result in a homogenous fuel/air mix well before top dead center. The ignition sequence is initiated by the spark plug. Too high of a compression ratio results in pre-ignition and detonation (knock).

This differs from a diesel which injects fuel into the hot air pocket caused by the high compression at a time that allows a flame front to work to advantage.

There has been some research into fuel injection of gasoline or some other combustible just as the spark is fired to initiate the flame front. However, this results in diesel like particulates ( soot) emissions and NOx because of the non-homogenous flame front. I cannot recall the company from Australia that has contracted with the USA air force to develop such an engine for the drone fleets which still use av-gas and result in a logistical fuel anomaly.

There has been talk out of the EPA about the possibility of adding another fuel grade for gasoline that has a much higher octane so that manufacturers have the ability to more aggressively design Direct Injection systems to provide more power and efficiency in a particular engine. The sticking point is the 30 % ethanol content and how that is to be provided.

All in all, your line of thinking is a good one as more avenues of efficiency are opened up by direct injection of gasoline.

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 04-06-2013 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RustyLugNut (Post 365350)
I cannot recall the company from Australia that has contracted with the USA air force to develop such an engine for the drone fleets which still use av-gas and result in a logistical fuel anomaly.

Orbital Engines? That company have been working in a Diesel-like compression ignition for gassers, the HCCI (Homogeneous Charge Compression Ignition) in partnership with GM.


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