Why do new honda's MPG suck?
 

I was looking through one of my old school motor trend magazines and the
1989 Honda CRX is EPA rated at i believe 51 or 52 MPG freeway and like 46MPG city

how come with all this (oh so good) new technology and vtech and all this other stuff
the new civic hybrid is rated at like 40MPG highway i believe and the new insight is like 50 MPG that's not too impressive to me

Is it just me or is that a little confusing?

The older honda's are more fun to drive too

It's you.

Experienced mechanics know that the EPA rating methodology has changed... right?

yeah i know the methodology has changed but i didn't see what the updated mpg on that year crx is

oh wow i just looked it up 37 MPG makes more sense now

Still think the civic hybrid should do better than that though

Hey,
If you going to post, please use adult language. The word 'suck' reflects your IQ, your age, your immaturity etc.
If I wanted to be an a homie boy site I'd hang out on one.
Seriously.
And btw, the super moderator of the NICO Infiniti Q45 forum is 20 years old and he has over 5000 posts. He has never used the word 'suck'. So it's not an age thing.

Moderator: let's cut this off before it becomes an issue.
If we are serious about google searches then let's not let some 18 yr old noob cast a poor reflection on Ecomodder.

I don't think you've been here long enough to really say what you are saying, but I understand where you are coming from.

The reason old cars get better mileage is simple. Weight, engine size, gearing, and the testing methods are different now.

Ah true i didn'tt think of the testing methods

I agree with you on the weight and gearing but isn't the new honda civic hybrid using a 1.3 liter 4 cylinder?

reflects on my IQ? my IQ is 124 and I'm going into the navy as a nuclear engineer. Nothing to do with Iq simply area's where people grow up are different ideas of appropriate language

Why do new honda's have such poor gas mileage there ya go that's better for ya:D

Frank Lee, don't do it.

Must... suppress... urges....

i've owned few hondas and all i know is that before i've ever heard the word hypermiling, i'd blow away the advertised MPG.
my 2004 civic hybrid would consistently get 53MPG on highway. -- i think it advertise 37mpg.

A 1970 Datsun 1200 weighed 1640 lbs. A 2009 Nissan Sentra weighs 2700, and its base engine size is 50% larger than the 1200. Same thing has happened to Civics.

Add that to what Frank said. My 2002 SE-R got a boost from 19/26/22 mpg to 22/28/25 mpg in 2008 because of the EPA testing changes.

If you'll check the user reports in Fuel Economy, you'll find a better and more accurate answer. The EPA labs provide a consistent metric but the user reports provide the real world numbers.

Bob Wilson

lol

why does madisonmpg remind me of my big brother:rolleyes:

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.......and not my girlfriend :eek:

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:D :cool:

A couple minutes with Google finds two reasons (in addition to the already-mentioned change in EPA test methods).

Honda CRX: 89 HF M/T 1,834 lb
'90-'91 HF M/T 1,967 lb

2010 Civic Hybrid MT/AT): NA / 2877 lb

One's pretty obvious, hauling around an extra half ton doesn't do a lot for anyone's mpg. Second is that the CRX had a manual, the Civic doesn't.

Then there's maybe a bit of aerodynamics: the 2-seat CRX has a nice tapered roofline, the Civic's a sedan.