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Old 04-14-2013, 11:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ran across an interesting article on people reverse-engineering the Saturn V engines: How NASA brought the monstrous F-1 “moon rocket” engine back to life | Ars Technica Interesting quotes:
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The power generated by five of these engines was best conceptualized by author David Woods in his book How Apollo Flew to the Moon—"[T]he power output of the Saturn first stage was 60 gigawatts. This happens to be very similar to the peak electricity demand of the United Kingdom."
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As with everything else about the F-1, even the gas generator boasts impressive specs. It churns out about 31,000 pounds of thrust (138 kilonewtons), more than an F-16 fighter's engine running at full afterburner, and it was used to drive a turbine that produced 55,000 shaft horsepower. (That's 55,000 horsepower just to run the F-1's fuel and oxidizer pumps...
Or maybe it's just an extreme example of pulse & glide :-)

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Old 04-15-2013, 12:48 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I thought the nasa space shuttle crawler had the top spot in worse fuel economy challenge?
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I'm trying to wrap my mind around 60 gigawatts.
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:35 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I am sure there was a misplaced decimal as well as only an 80% efficiency when converting one source of energy to another.
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NASA people are simply genius as far the talent for mechanics and electronics is concerned. So doing this must not have been a great deal for them.
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I'm trying to wrap my mind around 60 gigawatts.
At full power during launch, a Saturn V generated power equivalent to the peak demand of Britain. All of Britain.

Granted, it took five motors to do that. Still: dang.

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Whoops, OP already pointed this tidbit out. Ah well. It bears repeating in my opinion.

Pulse and glide: heh.

Skylab was lofted by a Saturn V and covered approximately 900,000,000 miles during its lifetime. That is, shall we say, one hell of a glide.

Skylab was a modified S-IVb stage, so it launched atop a S-I and S-II for a combined fuel consumption of (guessing wildly with a little reference help) about 2,500,000 kilos.

560km per kilo of fuel is pretty good.
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:25 AM   #7 (permalink)
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starting here: 560km per kilo

Kerosene has about 0.93 times as much energy by weight as gasoline

gas weighs 6 lbs/gallon

energy wise
1kg Kerosene=1/0.93=1.08 kg of gas

1.08kg of gas = 2.38 lb of gas

volume wise
2.38 lb of gas /6 = 0.4 gallons


560km=347miles.

so 347mi/0.4 gal = 867 MPG FTW!!!

EDIT: fixed missing kg to lb conversion
DOH: the rocket in question uses Kerosene, not hydrogen!

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Old 07-02-2013, 12:27 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I'm trying to wrap my mind around 60 gigawatts.
...watch all the "BACK TO THE FUTURE" movies...Doc Emmett Brown has the answer already!
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You probably need to also factor the weight of Skylab into the equation... how many Buicks to a Skylab?
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