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Originally Posted by theunchosen
the reason I can say its not an engineers car. . .is the McClaren F1 is NA and kicks its butt.
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True the McClaren is faster in a straight line; but see the following list
1) It is no place near as controllable by the average enthusiast driver.
2) It cost Just under $1,000,000 us 10 years ago So with inflation it cost $1315206.74 in todays money (from last year produced see
The Inflation Calculator) which is More than 16 times the cost of the GTR.
3) The Gtr is much quieter/ refined than the McCaren F1
4) I'd bet that in real world conditions the GTR's 3.2 Second 0-60 (very repeatable) would beat the F1's 2.9 Second 0-60 which requres the drivers skill with throttle and clutch
5) The F1 Requires a clutch every 4,000~6,000 miles
6) The other maintance cost are VERY VERy high
7) McClaren felt the need to include a tool box with every car
8) Wasn't this discussion GTR Vs Turbine powered Lotus?
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Originally Posted by theunchosen
It also weighs 1300 lbs less with a much larger engine and seats 3 to the GTRs 4. Its also 16 years old.
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1) for 16x the Money It should be better
2) It's closer to 1500 Lbs
3) The F1's power plant is Naturally aspirated; it's forced to be larger displacement. It does however have about 150 hp advantage.
4) No comparing the 2 cars; the F1 is a Race car made for the street; the GTR is a street car that can also race.
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Originally Posted by theunchosen
The GTR costs the same as Mazi, Ferrari and Lamborghini for the service and fluids but only competes in the super car not the exotic super cars category.
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Name a car in this category with lower maintenance cost!
Again this is GTR Vs Turbine Lotus Discussion.
BUT
1) Cheaper to buy
2) Easier to drive
3) more comfortable
4) Servicing cost less than 1/2 of the cost of
clutches alone on the one car that you have names which has superior track performance.
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Originally Posted by theunchosen
The Honda NSX is almost completely serviceable by anyone whose car savy. Its a little cramped to change belts and things but its definitely something a substantial number of users do.
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I have in fact wrenched on a c30a it isn't bad at all to work on HOWEVER
1) The GTR trounces the NSX in speed
2) The GTR has infinitely superior interior space
3) The GTR Handles better than the NSX
4) Isn't this discussion about Nissan GTR Vs Turbine Powered Lotus?
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Originally Posted by theunchosen
Lotus is an engineers car.
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I can go with that. Which model are you talking about? I've only ever been in an Exige. My only complaint is that it is nearly impossible for me to get in and out. If I wasn't allowed to touch the ground with my hand I simply couldn't do it.
The car isn't in the same class as a GTR for use ability but definitely an awesome car.
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Originally Posted by theunchosen
There is not really a good reason for this car to weigh 3800 lbs,
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Do I wish it was lighter; sure but it's not much heavier than a TT supra.
There are a few good reasons for the weight
1) AWD
2) very quiet
3) Very comfortable
4) Every toy ever
5) Loads of room
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Originally Posted by theunchosen
have insanely high maintenance costs for its performance bracket,
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What else is in it's performance bracket that has lower maintenance cost? Name a car
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Originally Posted by theunchosen
and have a flaw that makes it to the internet(weak transmission).
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It is my understanding that the new firmware has fixed the transmission failure issue.
I don't own one; I do want one; but I'll never buy one. I have no interest in making the car look better than it is only in pointing out in-accuracies in post.
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Originally Posted by theunchosen
I mean seriously, if I am going to drop 80K I want alot more bang for my buck. The Ariel Atom 1s went for 44K US and did 0-60 2.9 and 0-90 in 4.2 and weighed only 1200 #. The thing had 350 HP/ton the GTR's only got 252. Keep in mind that 0-60 is achieved without sequential transmission. It's P-W is comparable to a sportbike rather than a car buts its low CG allows it to turn like a formula 1. That's an engineers car.
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Atom is killer car no doubt
BUT
1) This discussion is GTR VS Turbine powered Lotus
2) The Cost is Over $65,000 not $44,000
3) It doesn't have all of the things I want in a daily driver.
4) No comfort
5) No Back seat
6) No trunk