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Old 10-23-2009, 08:06 PM   #10 (permalink)
bwilson4web
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Have they figured out what makes them short out? . . .
That remains an open question. I found one Japanese paper about voids in the potting compound and high dV/dt leading to coronal discharges in the voids. But the problem is once the internal short starts, it pretty well wipes out the initial fault ... for folks with ordinary means.
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. . .Electric motors are notoriously robust, their main enemy being heat. In an oil bath I suppose debris might also pose a hazard.
I've seen some pretty rank oil samples and suspect two things:
  1. manufacturing debris - my 5k transaxle oil change showed a small amount of metal shavings. Leave them in for 60k miles and who knows what damage they might do.
  2. micro-dieseling - admitted a long shot, I suspect high-speeds lead to micro-dieseling and accumulation of combustion by-products in the oil. These are conductive.
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. . .Is there a fluid cooler on these? Who winds them? I'm guessing it's Nippon Denso.
No idea of who makes them but there is no fluid cooler and my temperature measurements indicate none is needed.
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. . .I found some OEM shop manuals on ebay. I guess I should get the 2003. They seem to be about $130-150 a set.
That seems to be the going rate for used manuals. I bought mine new for double that.

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