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Old 12-02-2009, 12:50 AM   #313 (permalink)
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Think about who's bringing the floor scrubber batteries to the recycler. You need to cut out the middle man!
Exactly!

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And if you spend much time moving all that lead around, you could grow up to be the governor of California (if you have an accent)
Actually, the thought has crossed my mind about becoming the governor of Oklahoma. I had serious thoughts of a personalized plate: "FUTRGOV".....
I know, has nothing to do about what one looks like after lifting tons of lead...

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I've never heard of this, and I'm intrigued. I have plenty of batteries that I can play with, and if they can be brought back from the dead, it would be cool to have a heard of zombie batteries.

Does the alum replace the sulfuric acid, or is it added to the acid? Does the solution freeze? How long do they last? Is there a website?
Yes, it replaces the sulfuric acid. One of the reasons I did the conversion is that, supposedly, alkaline batteries are much more tolerant of the cold; i.e. it holds voltage better. Also, (again, this is what my research has found, not actual experience yet) they last unused much longer. Here's one of many links:
Sepp Hasslberger: How to convert a Lead Acid Battery into an Alkaline Battery

Now, here's my take on the whole thing. It's a lot of work. You have to deal with lead (dangerous), and sulfuric acid (dangerous). With the sources I have found for batteries, it simply is not worth the effort for the most part. If I have a bad battery, it's much easier to get a good one and sell the bad one (at a tiny profit). That said, the reason for the experiment is to:
1) use a battery that is small, light, and convenient (I have access to mostly big deep cycle only- not really starting batteries)
2) have a battery that can sit for extended periods without degrading (my ICE has become obsolete because of my daily EV use. Also, I have many project cars that sit for a long time)
3) if this works out well enough, I could have cold and sulfate resistant batteries.

So the idea was to have good batteries that might also work in an EV. As it turns out though, I don't think that alum conversion is so great for an EV because the battery's resultant voltage is lower after conversion.

As I typed this, I went out on the coldest day of the season, to the car that has been sitting for 3 days unused, and it cranked for a good while and started. This was a battery that could not turn over a car before after a full charge. I bought some more alum, and I have a marine group 27 battery to try it on, but as I mentioned, it might not be worth the effort. It IS however a good weapon to have in the battery recycler's arsenal....
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