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Originally Posted by Big Dave
GenKreton posted:
"...CFCs used by nations which have not banned them..."
Dave sez:
We are on to something here. what is the good of banning CFCs and forcing everyone to replace all their refrigeration equipment when other countries proceed along merrily as before. BTW, DuPont (the big winner in all this) has several plants in India, China, Taiwan, and Indonesia still producing R-12 and Halon.
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C'mon.... It's not that hard to do the research on this....
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China has moved to ban the production of ozone-depleting chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), according to a statement from the country's environmental protection agency. The action is in accordance with the 1987 Montreal Protocol to phase out the use of ozone layer-depleting products . China, which signed the agreement in 1991, says it will end all CFC production by 2010.
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Originally Posted by The Times of India
After successfully phasing out ozone-depleting chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) from air-conditioners and refrigerators, India is now moving on to environment-friendly inhalers, used by asthma and bronchitis patients.
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Originally Posted by www.gio.gov.tw
In compliance with governmental policies, the Formosa Plastics Corporation, which was the only company producing CFCs and HCFCs in Taiwan, has stopped its production of CFCs since January 1, 1996. Earlier than that, the Formosa Plastics Corporation also constructed a CFC incinerator with capacity of handling up to 7 tonnes daily by the technology assistance from Japan. Construction was completed in August 1994. The incinerator is used to handle the contaminated CFCs that cannot be recovered and the illegal CFCs from the customs.
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On September 21, 2007, approximately 200 countries agreed to accelerate the elimination of hydrochlorofluorocarbons entirely by 2020 in a United Nations-sponsored Montreal summit. Developing nations were given until 2030. Many nations, such as the United States and China, who had previously resisted such efforts, signed the treaty.
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Originally Posted by Big Dave
It is mentally lazy to be an absolutist. As much as I like improving my MPG, if I thought the next MPG would cost me $100,000 Iwould certainly stop modding. In the early 70s there was lots of "low hanging fruit" but that "fruit" has been harvested decades ago. All that is left are extremely expensive measures that will not result in noticeable improvement. For all its vast cost, ULSD/Tier II will not result in a reduction of so much as 1 microgram per cubic meter of either PM2.5 or sulfur dioxide, but it does wonders for the instituional health of the EPA.
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And if the next mpg costs your health?
In any case....
So dumping all that into the air is just doing nothing?
Despite all this... the same exact resistance came when the proposal to phase out leaded fuel (1973)... zomg! it costs too much and won't do anything... Except, over time, lead levels went down even though some countries continued to use it (and some still do today). There's even data showing lead levels in people's blood dropping corresponding with removing lead from fuel....
