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Old 01-20-2010, 11:38 PM   #58 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Old Mechanic View Post
A horse is proven to be effective, same logic was used against the first cars.
I guess the grass to hoof comparison has been long forgotten, along with the statement that if man was meant to fly he would have wings.

In the UPS comparison you draw a conclusion without data, just assumptions based on the number of vehicles purchased.

The HH versions supposedly saved 800 gallons of fuel per year on average, while never needing a battery replacement, which would destroy the comparison, and is an inevitable cost.
There's plenty of data. A HH conversion for a pickup costs $13,000 plus labor, so probably around $15,000 and up. A factory 2-mode hybrid system carries a ~$4000 premium over a similarly equipped model out the door. Certainly an OEM w/ a HH option would charge less than $15000 since they can purchase in volume, but I haven't seen anything to indicate that it's cost competitive w/ battery electric hybrids.
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